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Capt Stedders
#101 Posted : 01 May 2010 10:53:55

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Thanks for the sentiment, but as I have never built a wooden ship model before, and have yet to lay my first plank, it would be unseemly to have such an exalted rank.

Laugh

I am merely adapting modeling techniques and approaches learned from other, related disciplines and applying them to this build and, if I happen to find ways of improving on the kit parts, I shall continue to use this thread to pass them on.






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#102 Posted : 01 May 2010 11:01:16

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I agree with stedders, various different model techs can be used across all platforms, plastic king to wooden wonder:) works both ways dont itFlapper
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#103 Posted : 01 May 2010 11:02:11

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Capt Stedders wrote:
dontshootme:


Your question is most easily answered with a photo...


In this picture there are four such rings fitted to the carronade, two (one either side of the carronade carriage which the large diameter rope passes through after falling from the thimble and two more at the end of this rope that will attach to the hull) I have yet to add a further two to the tackle arrangements for the same purpose.


Damn fine piece of workmanship Capt Stedders..a master gunner's dream...perfect ordinance...look forward to more of the same in the near future...top marks sir!! ThumpUp
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#104 Posted : 16 May 2010 14:52:11

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"Let there be light"

Whilst not HMS Victory Build related, the following advice is, I think, highly useful for any kind of modeling, but especially for painting and detail work.

Given the combination of less-than-perfect weather and the fact that I have been busy re-decorating the former *Ahem / Cough* 'storage room' and turning it into something a little more suitable for the building of a large wooden ship than my trusty tea-tray, my thoughts turned to the question of lighting.

The first step in making my spare room into a suitable modeling and painting den was simply sorted out with a large tin of Brilliant White Vinyl Silk Emulsion (with very pale 'Pure Walnut' for the skirting and radiators) to replace the somewhat warmer dark cream walls and very dark brown skirting. The difference that this made to the brightness of the room was profound. *big thanks to Snowtiger for the decorating tips - and yes, it was a bit messy!*

The next step was to get the lighting sorted out.

In the past, I have tried so-called 'daylight' bulbs and found them to fall well short of my requirements (either due to needing a much higher wattage than lampshades/ anglepoise lamps can stand) or just failing to live up to my expectations. I was also extremely wary of these new-fangled energy saving bulbs since the claimed wattage was NEVER anything like the claims made for them..

Why are daylight bulbs important?
To those of you that may be wondering why specialist bulbs are imprortant, it is due to the colour range that they provide - most people know that fluorescent tubes can mess up the white balance in photographs, but even ordinary lightbulbs can 'throw' your eyes interpretation of colour - a daylight bulb is specifically designed to mimic the colour balance of real sunshine.

You will also be able to take much better photographs of your build progress! (although you will need to have a couple of light sources and some diffusion for the best results).

Anyway, whilst trawling the interwebz for a solution to my dilemma, I came across a website that made what seemed to be (at the time) some outrageous claims for its products! What?! A 30 watt bulb (well within the limit of most anglepoise lamps and certainly safe for a lampshade) that provides a claimed 150 watts of pure daylight illumination??!!

Piffle and poppycock eh? Bored

But, being a sucker for new gadgets and in need of some serious illumination I decided to give these new-fangled 'energy saving Daylight bulbs' a try...

Woot

Not only do they actually provide the crisp, neutral light that I wanted AND dont overheat within a few seconds of getting near my anglepoise lamp, BUT! they provide it in such abundance that it is like having a couple of miniature suns in my room!!

If that were not enough, they even run cool (I can work within a few inches of my anglepoise without my skin peeling off*) and are soooo much cheaper to run than a normal bulb.

*To be honest, I didn't even feel any noticeable warmth and could even touch the bulb within a minute or two of turning it off (being an inquisitive kind of chap)

Its a win-win situation all round!!

Where do I get my mitts on these bulbs then?

Simply follow this link and order yourself a couple or three..

http://www.mygreenlighti...daylight_bulbs/324.html

Nice prompt delivery too!

Prepare to be impressed..


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snowtiger
#105 Posted : 16 May 2010 15:43:29

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Seriously nifty news there Capt...i always prefer to use daylight to paint by .....rather than the R-50's in the kitchen...many thanks..BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
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#106 Posted : 16 May 2010 17:02:34

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Thanks Capt, that throws a little light on the subject..he he..I will certainly be getting myself a couple of them, one for the main light in the room and one for my work lamp..By the way Stedders, I understand that you use Green Stuff a lot, can I get some from a model shop or do I have to approach a certain supplier...much obliged...BigGrin
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#107 Posted : 16 May 2010 19:59:20

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@ Johnny E. Small strips* of Greenstuff can be purchased from any Games Workshop store but, in case you don't have one locally, you can order some from 'Gifts for Geeks' at the following address (I have found them to be reliable)

http://www.giftsforgeeks...-Modelling/2/page_view/

They also stock Vallejo paints.

Do let me know what you think of the bulbs.

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#108 Posted : 16 May 2010 20:35:05

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Thanks Stedders, I think I will go for the gifts for geeks site to get the green stuff, and of course, I will let you know about the bulbs.ThumpUp
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BigGrin thanks for info skipper always found myself sitting at window for natural light im knackered during the winter months

S 100 is that the schnellboot by italiteri very popular model as can be fitted out for r/c
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budgie wrote:
BigGrin thanks for info skipper always found myself sitting at window for natural light im knackered during the winter months

S 100 is that the schnellboot by italiteri very popular model as can be fitted out for r/c


Same situation here with the light, I never paint in artificial light (although I have no excuses now).

The S-100 is the rather splendid (and incredibly cheap) 1/72nd Revell model, whilst the S-10 is the (noticeably aged, somewhat inaccurate and unjustifiably expensive) Airfix model of the early war version.

I'm only working on the Airfix model to brush up on my weathering techniques before getting stuck into the Revell version. As for the Italeri 1/35th scale model, I've just done a search and...

Drool

I think you may have just cost me a hundred and fifty-odd quid matey!! (Including all the extras, such as crew and what-have-you...), it's very nice...

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#111 Posted : 16 May 2010 21:48:19

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Cool sorry bout that
model boat mag did an an article on it realy tempting but still working on vosper perkasa
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WOW.....Stunned.Cool Cool
i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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#113 Posted : 23 May 2010 11:50:49

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Whilst compiling a selection of photo's of my launch build MK II (unpainted), the following technique and tips may come in handy for those who intend to paint their models.

Whilst attempting to build the issue 6 launch as per the mag instructions and mimic Tomick's official build diary - avoiding getting anywhere near a tube/pot/tin of filler in the process, things didn't go entirely to plan and I discovered some areas that did, actually need a dab of the splodge.

Crying

Filling and Fillers

Now, whilst it isn't too hard to identify areas that need filling, (using a combination of sight and touch), there are a couple of details that need bearing in mind before reaching for the filler. Firstly the material you intend to fill needs to be considered before reaching for an appropriate filler, in this case, very thin wood.

Ideally you need a relatively soft and easily sanded product, (preferably one that will respond to sanding faster/more readily than the surrounding material) - I tried looking for some balsa filler but the Dorchester Art/hobby store didn't have any, I even toyed with the idea of making my own (mixing Aliphatic glue and talcum powder), but settled on some Super Fine, White Milliput (not the best choice but I find that wood fillers are messy and annoying to use on models - furniture repair isn't scale modeling) - next time, I'll make my own as milliput cures to a stone-like substance (but can be softened before applying it, making it easy to apply accurately).

Secondly, it helps if the surface to be filled is prepped first, in this case with sanding sealer, as it helps give the filler something to stick to as there's nothing worse than chunks of filler falling out (creating more craters and therefore more work). Un-prepped wood is kind of 'fluffy' and, unless you are using a 'wet' filler like glue (which will grab the individual fibers) , one can easily be fooled into thinking that everything is fine.

When filling, I try to make the surface of the filled area slightly proud (raised) of the surrounding surface (this saves me from needing to make a second pass of filler when using products that tend to 'sink' when curing)

Once the filler is cured, a gentle sanding with a relatively fine abrasive paper and sanding block to comply with the contours of the model. The exact grade of abrasive depends on many different factors including surface area, material and what I think I can get away with, but generally speaking it is far better to lean toward finer grades when working with delicate subjects as one is less likely to make any mistakes - it might take longer to do, but you'll only have to do it once.

Once one is satisfied that the filled area conforms to the lines and contours of the model (looks right, feels right) you might be under the impression that you have finished and reach for your paints...

Nine times out of ten this will not be the case.. There could easily be small scratches or an 'edge' to the filled areas. Sometimes a coat or two of an aerosol Filler Primer (look in car accessory shops) is all that is needed to sort this out but I find that it always pays to give a model what is known as a Dust Coat a technique that I picked up when working in a spray shop.

Dust Coat
In the following photo, I have given my MK I launch a couple of 'thin' coats of filler primer (Yellow) and the suspect area/s a dust coat of Black Primer (the speckles) - this is done by barely pressing down on the nozzle of the spray can (if you haven't done this before, practice on something) - air brush users can achieve this by lowering the air pressure feed dramatically. It's not too essential to get this speckled effect so don't worry if you just get a normal patch of spray (it just needs more gentle sanding to remove it)



As you can see, the surface looks nice and smooth, no?

Actually, it isn't

In the next photo, I have gently sanded the dust coat back to the filler primer with extremely fine W&D, P1000 (you are only sanding micron thin paint back after all) which has revealed my filling activities in glorious relief!



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The area's that remain black are low spots (The black paint remains in these areas since the W&D paper can't actually get to them until the surrounding areas are reduced to their level) and the paler areas are, logically enough, high spots (these are areas that are proud of the surrounding areas and are revealed since they are the first areas to come into contact with the W&D paper). Special care needs to be taken with the high spots since these are areas where it might be easy to accidentally sand through the wood.

The low spots can either (depending on how deep they are) be either filled with a tiny bit more filler - in the example above it would be sensible to simply use a bit of Aliphatic glue - or, as I did, gently feather the area back (very light rubbing with fine W&D until the surface is perfectly smooth), until the lat traces of black paint have disappeared.

As you can see, this process provides some really helpful visual information as to what is actually going on on the surface of your model.

In the next photo, I have finished feathering the surface back, applied the keel and gunwhale (?) strips, filled the gap between the keel and the hull and given the whole thing another couple of coats of filler primer.



If it were not for the fact that there is still plenty of construction work to be done to the launch, the exterior would now be ready for painting.




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Zeptrader
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Superb stedders, we come to expect this from you now:)

nice tutorial/walkthroughtThumpUp
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#115 Posted : 23 May 2010 13:47:42

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Zeptrader wrote:
Superb stedders, we come to expect this from you now:)


I was rather afraid that this would happen.. Crying

Still, it keeps me on my toes and stops me from slacking off - so it's not all bad.

Quote:
nice tutorial/walkthroughtThumpUp


Thanks Colin. Cool

Now, hurry up and complete your launch so that I might borrow some ideas for detailing the interior

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piot007
#116 Posted : 25 May 2010 11:04:32

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Hi Capt Stedders.
My paints arrived on fri. The ones you recommended. Im ready to start painting my carronade and anchor and I was wondering... you said we would mix these paints.
Can you tell me with what? What ratio do i mix it to? And would ordinary paint thinners do, or just water? (they are water based after all)
Im got the matt medium instead of the glaze medium. Do i need both to finnish the carronade or just the matt. I would like some sparkle/sheen to my guns tho, so I will buy the glaze and some of your famous G.S. at games workshop today, along with the 2 browns that you said.
Thanks,
Piot
i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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Piot007

Ooops.. The paint colours which I listed were for the crew figures that we will be getting later on in the build (my deepest and most sincere apologies for not being any clearer on this subject).

Full details on painting the gun carriages can be found in post 53 on page 3 of this thread. The post details the colours I used. (you should already have some of the colours).

As for the barrels, I merely detailed them up, sprayed them with matte black primer and then applied a coat of satin varnish to give them a soft sheen).

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got the matt medium instead of the glaze medium.


Firstly, the glaze medium should not be confused with a varnish - the glaze medium allows you to pretty much make your own washes when mixed with the paints as it provides an excellent carrier for the pigment, dispersing it far more evenly than water alone.

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"I will buy the glaze and some of your famous G.S. at games workshop today, along with the 2 browns that you said".


I hope you haven't gone shopping just yet as we can kill two birds with one stone (so to speak)..

The GW paint range contains a couple of colours that will be perfectly adequate substitutes for the Vallejo ones..

Namely..

'Bubonic Brown' and 'Tau Sept Ochre' (in their one-coat range of paints) are both yellow ochre look-a-likes and either of these colours are similar to the Vallejo Yellow Ochre. They also mix perfectly well with each other.

Don't forget to pick up a couple of cans of White and Black Primer while you are there.

I'd also reserve your W&N brushes for the crew mini's (the W&N series 7's are, in my opinion, too high a quality for the task of painting your gun carriages - a size '2' GW brush will be more than adequate for such a task.

If you have any questions, you will find that the guys at your GW store will be only too happy to help - they are generally very keen hobbyists and know one end of a paintbrush from the other - just tell them what you are doing and I'm sure they will explain anything that you might want to know.

Happy shopping!




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#118 Posted : 25 May 2010 19:00:54

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I'd like to thank 'stedders' for all the info so far. I'm looking forward to attempting to put some of these tips into practice and I'm off to the art shop to buy me windsor and newtons as we speak.

Just a note of caution I read earlier that you were trying out bleach as an agent to assist in obtaining the correct colouring. Bleach and cotton do not mix. Undiluted bleach attacks and hardens the fibres at a molecular level. It won't be noticeable at first but the cotton very quickly becomes 'dry' and will disintegrate if touched. The best way I can think of describing how it eventually ends up is like 'shredded wheat'. Even if you rinse the material thoroughly the damage will already be done. Diluting the bleach reduces the impact but it will still affect the fibres. Yes I know bleach has been used to wash cotton for donkey's years but it does the damage (especially to spun cotton where the fibres are looser) trust me.
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#119 Posted : 25 May 2010 21:34:31

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Blink Scared

Thanks for that cautionary bit of advice Ian, I had never heard of it happening (like you say, folk have been bleaching cotton for years), but I will avoid using it.

It doesn't really apply anymore since I am considering making my own, eminently paintable rope by twisting strands of soft, narrow gauge copper wire together(thus avoiding fluff, adventures with runny superglue and decomposing cotton).

Nevertheless, I appreciate your word of warning and will remember that one for the future.

Cheers.

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#120 Posted : 26 May 2010 09:53:27

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Ooops.. The paint colours which I listed were for the crew figures that we will be getting later on in the build (my deepest and most sincere apologies for not being any clearer on this subject).

LOL Never mind. I still want to paint my 'minis'. (i certainly dont blame you) Guess im just more ready than before.BigGrin
Going to G.W. today, if i can get my ass out of bed early enough. (working nights is not much fun) going to Manchester Arndale branch.
I'll be asking for more advice of you soon (sorry).
i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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