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Apart from the posts I deleted as it was showing my particulars,...where has it gone ?
Am I to let the other builders on the forum what Deag have emailed me re the COLOUR PROBLEM or am I being restrained ?
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It was removed by Admin, which they are entitled to do.
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Tomick wrote:It was removed by Admin, which they are entitled to do. Guess they didn't't like being contacted by mclaren then eh ?
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damn, i missed it! i would like to see that email skiddy! If at first you don't succeed........skydiving is not for you!
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scottww86 wrote:damn, i missed it! i would like to see that email skiddy! Not allowed.......gagged they call it.....Italian police I'm afraid
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I DID see it, and I can't understand why it was removed.
All it basically said was exactly what Admin have already stated.
Roy.
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Posted up 18th July from Admin...
Hi,
Having spent a considerable amount of time discussing with Kyosho the queries raised by customers on this forum, we have been advised that any colour variances which customers may have experienced are a result of the different types of material used in the production of the MP4-23.
Kyosho worked very closely with McLaren to produce this model and naturally we want to use the best materials possible for the model. We must emphasise that many of the parts issued to date will require finishing to the extent that decals will need to be applied, which is dealt with in later issues.
As posted in our original post on July 6th, we believe that upon completion of your build, you will be extremely happy with your model but if you continue to have any queries after this time, then we will be happy to answer them.
Thanks
Admin
Mr T
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As per the copy at post #2 of this thread.
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roymattblack wrote:I DID see it, and I can't understand why it was removed.
All it basically said was exactly what Admin have already stated.
Roy. Hi Roy, Correct about the copy post basically saying the same as had already been advised previously by Admin, as per that copied at post #2 & #31 of this topic. The post was removed because DeAgostini have a company policy not to show employee's names on the forum, which Skiddy's post clearly displayed, and is what brought about the removal of the post. DeAgostini will review any customer concerns on a case by case issue, and do not see the forum as a place where members compare individual correspondence on their own particular issues/concerns whether they be product related, or customer service related. Can I also remind members, that topics should not be hijacked by irrelevant posts which contribute nothing to the subject matter, that's not to say that Skiddy's copy post was irrelevant.
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only1ianuk wrote:A Question for Tomick/Admin,
Are we going to have instructions on clear coating like the Japanese had in their last issue?
Thanks
Ian Hi Ian, I'm not sure at this stage, but have asked the question.
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With respect MrT you really need to retread the mail.....as you do have a copy.
I was in contact with McLaren as previously mentioned and they have been contact with Deag, they are also aware of the discussions with Kyosho......one thing I will not disclose is the correspondence from McLaren.
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Tomick wrote:only1ianuk wrote:A Question for Tomick/Admin,
Are we going to have instructions on clear coating like the Japanese had in their last issue?
Thanks
Ian Hi Ian, I'm not sure at this stage, but have asked the question. Cheers Tomick
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Skiddy wrote:With respect MrT you really need to retread the mail.....as you do have a copy.
I was in contact with McLaren as previously mentioned and they have been contact with Deag, they are also aware of the discussions with Kyosho......one thing I will not disclose is the correspondence from McLaren.
You don't seem to understand, had your post not displayed an employee name, then your post would not have been removed, in the same tone that you did not want your personal detail on view hence why you blanked it out.
I am not getting into what was said by who as it has nothing to do with me, but merely pointing out why your post was removed, which is what Roy and yourself questioned.
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I really don't want to get drawn into this old 'colour' chestnut again - one of my earlier post caused (unintentionally) a lot of aggro.
There may well be shortcomings with this model, but I, for one, LOVE it!
I paid a tad over £50 for a Ford GT40 kit from Simil-R not too long ago.
There are entire message boards about the errors in the kit, but Simil-R don't seem to have been taken to task over it. The kit builders just work around it all.
Ford, or Vauxhall etc..... continually 'recall' cars with (sometimes) very serious faults. I don't hear about owners demanding full refunds even though the supposed remedies aren't always that great.
I myself bought a brand new Ford Escort in 1984 (sigh - a lifetime ago...) and the car had a scratch on the rear wing.
Did I get a new replacement car????
Did I get a full refund????
Of course not!
The scratch was 'fixed'.
Although I agree that there is/was a colour issue with some parts of this model, I hardly think it's terminal!
I've built numerous expensive kits, and I've yet to find one that's perfect.
PLEASE....... No replies about how I'm 'giving in' to De-Ag's response.
I'm just happy that DeAg and Kyosho created this fantastic showpiece in the first place.
As far as I'm concerned, another 1/8 partwork car kit ASAP please!!!!
Roy.
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I do understand why people are reluctant to bring this issue up again but hopefully the competent modellers will attempt to understand the point of view from total novice builders. As a total novice at this sort of build and seeing adverts on tv and on Deag site, i expected this build to be glue and screw bits together but it as turned into something that we now have to add the finish to. Experienced modellers have to take into account that not everybody is confident enough to take on this task after spending £600+ on a model, cause if we get it wrong model and £600+ down drain. To be honest i have continued with subscription but have not built anything since colour issue cause i do not feel confident enough to add the finish of clear coat. This is probably cause i aint got a clue how to go about it. Just to add microsol and set, what is it and how do you use it?
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Hi Andy,
Initially it seems you've confused micro sol/set with gloss finshing, which in reality have very different purposes.
Micro sol/set can be used to aid decal adhereance/placement. Where as glossing is a term used for the application of a clear lacquer to gloss a surface.
I would think that if glossing the car is going to be mentioned in the magazine, that it will contain a blow-by-blow account of how to go about it and what is recommended. Ultimately it does seem to be part of the build process in the japanese magazine content, and its generally assumed that model building involves some form of finishing, painting and the application of decals.
As a novice your bound to be aprehensive, but let's see how it pans out as you might be pleasantly surprised by the outcome.
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hi andy,weither you like it or not this so called chesnut has reared it;s ugly head again although somewhat muted.have you ever built a model (any model) that was p repainted? I know I havn't. and the quality to me is 1st.class.I have not paid £600 for a car before so does that qualify as a prepainted job?I don't know,all I know is,bring on more!!!of the same.admin and de-ag have said the fix is to be done,and if you can't put on a bit of varnish on,pack it in.and go back to ships,and dabble with the paintwork on them.I have looked and looked at the paint on my car,and believe it or not I can only see a slight difference in strong daylight. I must stress strongly this is my opinion,and please please put this subject to bed.end of. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Thanks for quick response Mr T but i aint mistaken finish from micro set/sol, i probably typed it wrong. I understand that a gloss finish may not be required but if it is can i do it?. As for applying decals using micro sol/set that is a different problem. To be honest i have never heard of them till this build, aint got a clue how to use them and any help gratefully accepted. I know its asking for a lot but if one of the more experienced builders could do a step by step it would be great.
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Hi Andy, I'm sure you'll be able to manage glossing should the need arise. As for decal setting solutions, the use and application is noted in the magazine and appears a few times in the McLaren build discussions topic, and the process is also noted in my build diary. Here's a link to the topic.. http://forum.model-space...aspx?g=posts&t=4225
I seem to recall that someone also posted up a YouTube clip showing the process but I've not located it yet.
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