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Im curious if anyone knows where its possible to buy some 1/84 scale cannons for sovereign of the seas. I noticed in the Victory they give you the tip of cannons to glue into some beams, Im not sure but from the pictures it seems it will be the same for the sovereign, personally i want to make the full lower decks and the cannons.. Im a bit of a detail freak  They wouldn't have to be exact copies, simply 1/84 scale cannons. Processing - Progressing
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well your going to have to do some changes here,the lower decks will probably be blanked off,have you had a look at the victory builds?and what happens if you knock one of the cannons????how you going to get it??? I think you should wait and see what the build design is like first.before spending huge amounts of money.not sure I'd like to rig 50 odd cannons that I didn't need to. heaps of luck on that one  Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Mmmm, don't see the point in hidden detail. It's better to spend your time and money on the things you (and others) can see.
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You guys have a point and i have thought on it, but at this stage its just an idea, though if i do go along with it im just wondering if its even possible to buy the cannons, ive seen it done in a build of the victory and it looked amazing. Processing - Progressing
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Hi AAS Please PM me I have the information you require  Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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If anybody is going to fit a full cannon on lower decks a little tip I use is to drill a hole through the carraige bottom panel and fit a cocktail stick in. Then drill a corresponding hole in the deck. The gun wont move then and the fixing is invisible.
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Yes I was thinking same way, I am not that keen on half canons. You could take a moulding of the canons you have and cast as many as you need with modelling metal then make the trucks your self as they don't have to be exact. The problem is with decks strength for the planking you can put temporary decks or beams in place. The pinning of the canons trucks is a good idea but it might be better to also tie the the barrels together with a strip of wood or cover them with something to protect them while build up the decks and fit the lighting runs if that's your plan. Sandy
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Court,your links don't work mate,cause is too many http: in the address...sorry. Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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thanks Rob, duly edited and tested.
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Thanks court, i've had a look at those and few others but they don't seem to mention the quantity, surely it cant be one for that price.. but i wouldn't be too surprised. If possibly (I've never done it before) but i'd probably go with sandy's idea and make a mould, they wouldn't have to be TOP quality just something you could tell is a cannon, probably not rig them but then again i wouldn't really mind. i love the little details. Processing - Progressing
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Hi AAS, The Caldercraft/Jokita ones are good quality and are supplied in pairs. You could just buy the Barrels and scratch build the Carriages. But it's going to be a couple of hundred pounds even that way. Beware of resin, my 'Harvey' Resin Cannon Barrels have distorted over the years. Still it's great fun considering all the open possibilities at this early stage.
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With consideration towards internally lit models, half details or half cannons aren't really an option... May have to resort to invading the local newsagents for their extra copies with cannons... Andy Current Builds: - HMS Sovereign of the Seas Planning on Building: - Scratch built HMS Victory full detail interior (I know what's inside even if you can't see it ) Completed Builds: -
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Hi Team I am having all the gun carraiges re manufactured in walnut for My sots, they will be lazer cut, is anyone interested in some? cannons also available Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Mike, Just wondering why? Particularly since the build has red painted carriages and therefore the wood doesn't matter. Unless you are thinking of having a natural wood finish, but this doesn't fit with the ornamented style of the SOTS and is more fitting with the later utilitarian 18th/19th century armaments as proposed by Mueller in 1756, when he wrote a paper on the uselessness of ornamental guns.
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Admiral Anti Spiral wrote:If possibly (I've never done it before) but i'd probably go with sandy's idea and make a mould, they wouldn't have to be TOP quality just something you could tell is a cannon, probably not rig them but then again i wouldn't really mind. i love the little details. Hello, Moulding your own barrels isn't all that hard to do, because of the detail on the Sovereign's barrels I'd recommend using Prince August casting metal as it will capture the detail better than standard resin. This link should help you out a bit http://shop.princeaugust.ie/budget-starter-kits/
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court orchard wrote:Hi Mike,
Just wondering why? Particularly since the build has red painted carriages and therefore the wood doesn't matter. Unless you are thinking of having a natural wood finish, but this doesn't fit with the ornamented style of the SOTS and is more fitting with the later utilitarian 18th/19th century armaments as proposed by Mueller in 1756, when he wrote a paper on the uselessness of ornamental guns. Hi Andy, You are correct the carriages are painted red but I am using red ink which gives an authentic scale layer of colour which allows the grain to show through, now as we know the wood used in the build has very fine grain and is light in colour, A white wood would never have been used to construct the carriages, now walnut has a definite grain and is the nearest to oak colour and grain at this scale, plus the trucks will be in walnut and so will the axles Cannon of this period did not have metal axles or the type of trucks supplied and so that is why I am going this route, to me it is a very important detail, and I will fit these to my victory also. but to other members it may not matter but it is the old story you pays your money and you make your choice  Best wishes Mike MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Fair enough Mike, those Caldercraft Cannon Kits are very nice. Just a minor point though, the gun carriages were usually made of Elm, as it had a stronger resistance to splintering under impact, also Sephton says that iron axle trees were used. I have used acrylic ink on my carriages and found that 2 coats gave a sufficiently dark shade for my liking. I have remade the Anchor stock in Walnut for the reasons you mention. It's going to be a major part of the enjoyment of this build seeing other ideas and discussing all the possible options 
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Hi Andy I absolutely agree with you its the debate that we have between ourselves that makes the build far more interesting,and creates tips and ideas, so thanks for that Kind regards Mike  MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Nice photo Mike, good to see you have put the arch in. I have to agree modellers metal is far better than resin and easier to use. Sandy
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