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Hi, I was doing a bit of research on my current project HM Pickle when I came across these interesting articles both published by The London Gazette Extraordinary, the first on Wednesday, Novenber 6th 1805 and the second on Wednesday, November 27th 1805 Their copies of the dispatches, from Vice-Admiral Collingwood to the Admiralty - they contain such things as battle accounts, casualty lists, accounts of the captured Spanish and French ships, letters from Collingwood to Marquis discussing prisoners of war and various other topics. There are in PDF format so you’ll need Adobe Reader to view them. Bearing in mind that these are scans of the original publications - some of the text is a little hard to make out. I found these articles fascinating to read so I thought I’ll post the links for everyone. http://www.london-gazett...issues/15858/pages/1365 http://www.london-gazett...issues/15866/pages/1481
On a seperate note, whilst reading these articles I noticed that the letter F was used in the spelling instead of an S does anyone know why?
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Very interesting reading. I think that that is how the letter S was written then, confusing at first but soon becomes apparent.
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Thanks Phil, added 'em to my library. 
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Thanks for post very interesting.
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Thanks for those Phil, useful background to Victory project.
How much have you found out about HMS Pickle other than it conveyed the news of Trafalgar back to England?
Mike T
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Mike Turpin wrote:Thanks for those Phil, useful background to Victory project.
How much have you found out about HMS Pickle other than it conveyed the news of Trafalgar back to England?
Mike T Hi, Mike Here's what I've found out so far: Purchased in 1800 she was originally called “Sting” and renamed to HM Pickle in 1802. Under the command of Lt. John Richards Lapenotiere (date of commision unknown to me I can only assume it was at some point in 1803) she patroled the French cost “harassing” french shipping. In 1804 she took part in resucing the crew from HMS Magnificent who on the 25th of March 1804, whilst taking part in the blockade of Brest, hit an uncharted reef and rapidly began to founder. Magnificent sank at 10.30am, just an hour and a half after she hit the reef, all hands survived. Lt. Lapenotiere later received praise for “Pickle’s” action in the rescue. Her envolvment in the Battle of Trafalgar was in picking up sailors (from both sides) from the sea, the Muster list notes that by 6pm she had a total of 160 prisoners, most of which came from the burning French vessel Achille. As you know she was then dispatched back to England to convey the news of Nelson’s death. Apart from that the only only piece of info that I’ve managed to dig up is that she was wrecked of Cadiz in 1808 - but I have no further details about this incident. So still plenty of blanks to fill in! Phil
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Hi, since my last post I have come across this web page http://en.wikipedia.org/...ndex.html?curid=1655934
It gives a good account of HMS Pickle's background although not noted on the above site I've also found out that she was built in Bermuda and began her career as a civilian vessel (" Sting") Phil
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A pretty comprehensive answer. I know how difficult it can be to trace the history of a single ship of that period, well done!
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Hi Phil I was surfing the Internet for a particular book and came across this one: HMS Pickle at the Battle of Trafalgar and tracked it down to this website: HMS Pickle websiteYou will probably tell me you have the book and the website logged as a favourite! Mike T
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Mike Turpin wrote:Hi Phil I was surfing the Internet for a particular book and came across this one: HMS Pickle at the Battle of Trafalgar and tracked it down to this website: HMS Pickle websiteYou will probably tell me you have the book and the website logged as a favourite! Mike T Thanks, Mike I’ve read about this book but have failed to trace a copy, thanks for letting me know about this. Phil
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hiphiljaps, im building a model of the Pickle at the moment, (well i will start when it arrives!) she landed in falmouth were i am from, there used to be a plaque down there on one of the queys, i will take a photo of it if it is still down there next time i go home. Also did you see the program on the pickle the other day? it was on the bbc and i think it was called boats that made britain.
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The plaque you mention is still down on the key mavrickandgoose,I have a photo of it somewhere with my sons reading it taken a couple of years ago.although I knew most of the history it was an eye opener for them,for some reason they just don't seem to teach things like that in history any more. Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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that is very true, ill go next time i am back down. here is a link to bbc iplayer for the program on the Pickle http://www.bbc.co.uk/ipl...uilt_Britain_The_Pickle/
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[quote=mavrickandgoose]that is very true, ill go next time i am back down. here is a link to bbc iplayer for the program on the Pickle http://www.bbc.co.uk/ipl...ilt_Britain_The_Pickle/[/quote] Hi, Thanks for the link I didn’t get to see it so I’ll watch it tonight!! I’m building the Caldercraft’s version of the kit which I have to say is a very enjoyable build so no doubt you’ll enjoy yours when it arrives (hopefully soon!) Phil
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I will have to have words with me look-outs! That was one programme I didn't spot coming over the horizon!
Thanks for the information!
I have downloaded iplayer desktop and a copy and will have a look at it later.
Mike T
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found this site, i know it is a replica of the real thing, but it still has some good reference photos. http://www.yachtworld.co...438/Conwy/United-Kingdom
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[quote=mavrickandgoose]found this site, i know it is a replica of the real thing, but it still has some good reference photos. http://www.yachtworld.co...38/Conwy/United-Kingdom[/quote] You beat me to it, I was going to link this my self!! Phil
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philjaps1 wrote:Hi, I was doing a bit of research on my current project HM Pickle when I came across these interesting articles both published by The London Gazette Extraordinary, the first on Wednesday, Novenber 6th 1805 and the second on Wednesday, November 27th 1805 Their copies of the dispatches, from Vice-Admiral Collingwood to the Admiralty - they contain such things as battle accounts, casualty lists, accounts of the captured Spanish and French ships, letters from Collingwood to Marquis discussing prisoners of war and various other topics. There are in PDF format so you’ll need Adobe Reader to view them. Bearing in mind that these are scans of the original publications - some of the text is a little hard to make out. I found these articles fascinating to read so I thought I’ll post the links for everyone. http://www.london-gazett...issues/15858/pages/1365 http://www.london-gazett...issues/15866/pages/1481
On a seperate note, whilst reading these articles I noticed that the letter F was used in the spelling instead of an S does anyone know why? Phil, If you read documents of the 16th and 17th century the letter "f" seen with a small inverted curve on the bottom of the letter was always used as an "S" very confusing I know but once you are used to it, reading such document becomes easier...hope that helps...  Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Thanks for that, it took awhile but I've got used to it now - well sort of!!
Phil
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