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Now that the full construction of the launch is revealed, I'm surprised it wasn't clinker built?
Is the smooth look........Authentic?
Just curious.......Bob
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Hi Bob.
I would be interested in the answer to that.
Best regards all.
Mark
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Its difficult to confirm either way. Any info that exists about the SotS seems to relate to the ship itself, and I can't say I have seen any image which gives clear indication to the Launch construction.
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Hi, Good point Bob, I've been thinking of clinker planking my Launch. Clinker built boats are significantly lighter than Carvel built and it's my view that this would have been the preferred form for a ship's launch of this period.
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Just for reference, here are the two construction options.....  I definitely don`t like the smooth look!.....I will try the clinker option....It will look more interesting and a nice challenge too! Bob
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I think the Launch being Carval-built is correct and I must admit I did contemplate amending the Launch to the Long boat size but at just over 7" I decided that the model almost matches the size the Pinnacle. The Launch started use as a ships boat as early as 1661 and were generally between 25 and 30 feet. The Yawl (double ended boat) was the British Navy's first Clinker-built boat in 1662 but by 1702 Yawls were being carval-built. A Gig was the first light Clinker-built boat in general service around 1750. Info taken from www.historicnavalfiction.net/1218-the-long-boatsThe SOTS boats at the time launch were Long boat keel 50'10" beam 12'6" depth 4'3" Pinnacle. keel 36'. beam 9'6" depth 3'3" Skiff. keel 27'. beam 7'. depth 3' Info taken from a manuscript in the Science Museum SNR 1931, No.3, p.30. Hope this helps Sandy
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Thank you, SandyM
Can`t argue with that set of facts and figures!
Thanks a lot for your search
Bob
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Hi, Another point worth bearing in mind, is that I have noticed (on the Italian Forum, who are about 35 weeks ahead) that there appears to be some ornamentation applied to the launch so any modification will have to accommodate this.
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court orchard wrote:Hi,
Another point worth bearing in mind, is that I have noticed (on the Italian Forum, who are about 35 weeks ahead) that there appears to be some ornamentation applied to the launch so any modification will have to accommodate this. Hi, do you have the website for the italian forum? As I read Italian, I might be able to help out with the translation if anyboby needs help ;-)
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Hi Luigione, There you go, I've been using the Google Chrome translator, which gets most of it right, but then how would I know  . http://www.deagostinipassion.co...44971E876E3588F227A25282
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I've had a look, and there is a photoetched decoration to apply on both sides, so smooth finish looks like the way it has to be
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Thanks Luigione that's very helpfull as was in the process of drawing out some designs for my launch. Sandy
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Billing Jyland
Billing Wasa
Billing Dutch Royal Barge (gold medal winner Germany 1975)
Scratch built HMS Victory using HMSO plans hull size 26"
Scratch built Yamato Hull size 8'8"
De Pardo HMS Bounty
Current build Sovereign of the Seas
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BTW, it seems that in issue 12 we will have to nail dowm the deck, so I would suggest we don't glue down the deck for now.
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Can anybody explain why the deck should be nailed?
Surely, glue is OK anyway?
Bob
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No idea, but having had a look through the build info sheets, it seems to be all very straightforward, with very little chance of screwups so far
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Bob Abell wrote:Can anybody explain why the deck should be nailed?
Surely, glue is OK anyway?
Bob Plywood end grain can soak up up PVA glue like a sponge, therefore the lower deck nailing is additional means of ensuring that the lower decks are secure on top of what is end grain ply, and is a method adopted in most Artesania kits as it was with the lower deck sections of the Victory build.
The next SotS deck level is seated on deck support beams which span the model.
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Thank you, Mr T
Since the formers are only 3mm wide, it may be better to glue now and nail next week, when the glue has dried and less prone to splitting?
As for me...... I'm still waiting for Issue 2 to arrive from W H Smith........After 7 weeks!
Where could I purchase Issue 2 from, as a single purchase, please?
Bob
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[size=6]But you'll then have to ensure that each deck section is flat across the frames, and possibly a weight put in place to ensure this.
You'll have to order issue 2 as a back order via cust services, though have a look on ebay first.[/size]
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Thank you, Mr T
I`ve got the weights on already, to allow them to settle down, since they are bowed
Bob
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agree with what has been said,and must add,I ALWAYS drill the holes first using a cut down dress makers pin(cut end is the drill end)and predrill,then brass pin the deck,don't forget the glue(s) are mainly water based,and can cause warping if not suitably pinned or weighted down.the instructions are well thought out,if they say pin the deck there is a reason,as mr.T. pointed out.there are a few builders going there own way,just bear in mind that the mag instructions are there for everyone. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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