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I take it I will need a plank bender for planking the hull and the launch. There is a very large selection available. Can any of you recommend me a nice and easy one to use please?
Cheers
Rob
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a simple soldering iron is all you need. in fact using a mug, or tin can and some elastic bands will do the job, you don't need to spend a lot of money as some of the plank benders out there will not do the job any better. i managed to plank all my victory by just making the planks into bow shapes using some string and wet planks, then they dried in roughly the right shape. Come on you Jimmies
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Hi Rob, I have been using the free one supplied with the Akagi, have seen them for sale for about a fiver
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Bending planks need not be a dificult task that you might at first think, and in many cases planks can be bent dry with a Plank Nipper (plank bending pliers) without recourse to soaking or steaming. The Plank Nipper does have one limitation, it leaves marks on the inside surface of the bend but is easily suited for most hull plank bending. It is largely a case of adjusting the hand pressure according to the thickness of the wood involved and remembering that the closer the "nips" the tighter the bend produced.http://www.cornwallmodel...catalog/amati_7381.html
Woods which have a greater reluctance to bend may be soaked for a while before use and a tall vase or similar shaped vessel filled with hot water kept on the bench will prove useful to hold several planks planks for pre-soaking the ends to be bent.
A plank nipper is unsuitable for bending the launch planking which is too thin and delicate. For this purpose and electric plank bender makes it a breeze, and is also invaluable for the very tight bends occasionally necessary with normal thickness planking http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati_7205.html But the vast majority of kit built models can be constructed quite readily using a Plank Nipper or via the soaking or steaming methods. Certainly Bob's suggestion of using a soldering iron is a very cheap alternative which does work.
A compression bender is also available, such as the Mantua plank bender, which allows you to create an internal bend without marking, but this tool takes some getting used to and the wood needs be wet for the best results, some builders like it, and other's can't get on with it. http://www.cornwallmodel...mantua-plankbender.html
I'm sure others builders will post up other recommendations and experiences, because in the main it comes down to the method you prefer yourself.
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The electric one looks good, but it is a hefty price for something that may really only needed for the launch.
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A soldering iron is mentioned as being a very cheap alternative
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Hi, I have the Amati Electric one and it's very easy and effective. But it is only a soldering iron with a 25mm cylinder in place of the normal tip. If you know someone with a lathe you could easily get one made and fit it to a cheap soldering iron.
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I have found that soaking the planks in hot water for around twenty minutes then gently bending them around plastic tumbler or vessel that resembles the size curve that is needed..Leave to dry at room temperature..Works a treat...I've used the soldering iron method too, but beware of singing your planks! Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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As I mentioned on a different thread. I have also used a pair of wire cutters and placed a short piece of plastic in a vice and nipped the plank on one side sandwiched between the plastic and the jaw of the cutters. Best of luck Peter completed..... Endeavour Longboat, San Francisco 2, Virginia 1819
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Hi RobT The very first ship that I constructed was the Grimsby by Constructo. She was a single planked design with hull planks made out of a stiff dark wood - Sapele? (must find the instruction book again) which were 2mm thick! I had never tried anything like this before and looked for advice myself, (long before such things as forums). I ended up with a book called Planking Model Ships by Richard Mansir, only 16 pages long for £9.95! but very useful indeed. It went into steaming and soaking in water together with a third method - Household Ammonia, curiously didn't mention the soldering iron option though. I personally went for the ammonia method and found it ideal for the thicker planks in the kit, I only snapped about half a dozen overall and most of them were split in the grain to begin with. The only downside to the ammonia method is that you definately need a very good source of ventilation, I was fortunate enough to have my workshop out in dad's garage at that time so I could have all the doors and windows open, if I used that method in my present attic workshop I would really need a fan and an extractor through the open skylight to be safe. The ammonia really softened the fibres of the wood, allow really complex curves, I nailed the planks into position using brass pins through a collar of scrap plank wood and allowed them to dry overnight in position. Next day I pulled out the nails and the plank stayed in the exact shape. All I had to do then was re-nail it back with wood glue along the edge and on the ribs using the same holes from before. I haven't needed this method with my Del Prado Victory however as the wood is so soft a simple water soaking was all that was required. I would recommend the water or soldering iron methods as given by the others, the ammonia way is easier to get the planks to bend but you have to be VERY careful using the stuff! Give it your best though, you'll probably find planking's a lot less difficult than it first seems! First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Just a health and safety note to reiterate what Plymouth has said about the use of Ammonia. You must ensure adequate ventilation and avoid prolonged exposure. Ammonia is highly corrosive to eyes, lungs and skin, which can cause coughing, wheezing, shortness of breath and skin burns. Rubber gloves and eye protection is a must., In short its nasty stuff!
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Hi, I agree that in general Ammonia is too hazardous for plank bending. But it is also worth noting that it will turn light wood dark brown.
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Seeing as I suffer from a heart complaint that already leaves me short of breath, I think I will give ammonia a miss.
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As already posted i think simply soaking them in hot water is the easiest way, not really any bad sides too it. Processing - Progressing
Previous builds: HMS Victory Current build: HMS Sovereign of the seas
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I bought the Amati electric plank bender and never looked back, great wee tool.
MoMo
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Has anyone used these? http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...amp;hash=item1c275605d7
If so, are they suitable for bending the launch planking?
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i recently bought a toner refill kit for my printer. i got it here http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...amp;hash=item3a613faa2f
if you look at the picture of you'll see the refill kit comes with a soldering iron with a big round end, which is very similar to the amati plank bender. i have only just started using it for plank bending but it works great. so i managed to get a complete refill kit, with plank bender cheaper that it would have cost me for one genuine hp cartridge if anyone out there has an hp2600/2600n then it may be worth your while trying this out, i have had no print problems, and now no plank bending problems either i have to assume there are other refill kits out there, so give it a go if you have a laser printer/copier. Come on you Jimmies
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I have a mantua plank nipper and it works well however you need to be carefull.When bending thin planks the marks made on the inside will be visible with sanding the outside.I point this out because the outer planking is only 0.6mm thick on sos.I find the most effective way to presoak the strips for twenty minutes then ,with the ends wedged under the lid of a pan of boiling water on the hob and steam for ten minutes.I found that if you dont soak the strips first they dry too quick and you can't clamp in place before they dry out.The times quoted were for 6 x 3mm walnut wales so im sure thinner material would require only a few minutes steaming.
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Hi, re saintsman123 post you can obtain the heat gun on its own for less then £10 go to eBay.co.uk and search for toner refil.
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I just did a search on 'hole making tool' and found them there. I've ordered one to try so will let you know how I get on. Certainly looks the same as official plank bender and at £9.89 got to be worth a try. Regards Paul Building - Sovereign Of The Seas
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