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ISSUES 16/17 Thats all for now, the modification will be covered next thank you for looking in, questions and comments are welcome Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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THE HULL STERN MODIFICATION Hi Team I have arrived at this Mod through looking at the way the hulls of ships are formed I am going you show you photos of three of the ships I am building, so you can see what I want to achieve with the SOTS:- 1) The ENDEAVOUR, the planking sweeps up to meet the stern cross planking MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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THE HULL STERN MODIFICATION 2) THE VICTORY The planking also sweeps up to meet the stern crossplanking:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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THE HULL STERN MODIFICATION The final ship is the 3) SAN FRANCISCO 2 This is a ship that predates the SOTS, THE VICTORY and THE ENDEAVOUR, but it does not have a shallow stern hull, and you can see the side arch shape, which is shown on the poster of the SOTS, which I want to recreat MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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THE STERN HULL MODIFICATION I was not happy with the shape of the SOTS stern hull in my opinion it is too shallow:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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THE HULL STERN MODIFICATION That is how I came to want to change the Hull shape, next time I will cover next time how I started to modify the SOTS. Questions and comments welcome Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Nice work as usual Mike.... For me, as this is my first build I do not intend to deviate too far from the official build... think I need to build up experience before I tackle modifications of this kind..... thoroughly enjoy your tutorials though.... thanks.... Regards Alan
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Gandale wrote:Nice work as usual Mike.... For me, as this is my first build I do not intend to deviate too far from the official build... think I need to build up experience before I tackle modifications of this kind..... thoroughly enjoy your tutorials though.... thanks.... Regards Alan Hi Alan, always do what your comfortable with you are doing a very good job of your build. Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Mike Good looking job so far. Interesting approach to the look. I am not doing the SOTS yet, not yet released here in SA, but understand where you are coming from and must agree. Keep it up, plenty folk will be watching and following you. Will be following with interest. Rgds, Hans "It's okay to make mistakes. mistakes are our teachers - they help us to to learn, even if it is painfully" Current Build: Endeavour Cross section,D51 Completed: HMS Victory Under the bench: Endeavour x 2,Sovereign of the Seas, Akagi and The Black Pearl!HMS Victory Cross Section
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Hans wrote:Hi Mike Good looking job so far. Interesting approach to the look. I am not doing the SOTS yet, not yet released here in SA, but understand where you are coming from and must agree. Keep it up, plenty folk will be watching and following you. Will be following with interest. Hi Hans thank you for the encouragement, much appreciated Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Intriguing modification , Mike. I am interested to see how it develops.
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Glad to see more from you mike, sounds like a good modification you got going there, cant wait to see more! Processing - Progressing
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Admiral Anti Spiral wrote:Glad to see more from you mike, sounds like a good modification you got going there, cant wait to see more! Thank you for the interest, it has proved to be an interesting project, and has put some balance into the hull stern. Regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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THE MODIFICATION OF THE HULL STERN Hi Team the first thing I did was take measurements from my other models and came up with a size which I thought was acceptable. The balance of the keel had to be my priority, I prepared 2 pieces of Balsa wood (6mm thick)in a triangle shape 6cm x 4cm x 1cm,and fitted them 3mm back from the stern cross section planking. These are the Photos of this Stage, more to come later Kind regards Mike MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Mike, Look's good,nice work you can see the difference you got me thinking about mine. kind regards Trev. Work in progress: Tombstone (Scratch) - San Francisco 2. -The Mayflower ( scratch by plan).
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I agree, that looks better already. I've been troubled by that lower stern profile, plus the sweep that the planks would have to take, for some time. Your modification looks like it could well be the answer. Looking forward to more
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tf64 wrote:Hi Mike, Look's good,nice work you can see the difference you got me thinking about mine. kind regards Trev. Thank you Trev your comments are appreciated Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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court orchard wrote:I agree, that looks better already. I've been troubled by that lower stern profile, plus the sweep that the planks would have to take, for some time. Your modification looks like it could well be the answer. Looking forward to more Thanks Andy, I am able to do the mod easily because of the balsa infills I fitted to the Hull. I will put these questions to the Team:- 1) Where does it tell you in the instructions to thin the keel on both sides of the bottem stern edge. My calculations estimate the Keel should be no thicker than 1mm to accomodate the plank thickness either side of the Keel of 2mm we also have to fit the second planking on top, an interesting challenge? 2) If we fit the Bow sprit (not the Stem) in the centre, it would hit the foremast, I believe it should be fitted to one side, therefore missing the foremast. On ships of this era the foremast was fitted very much closer to the bow,and the Bow sprit offset, than ships that came later. On my Model of the SAN FRANCISCO 2 the Bow sprit is offset. I would suggest a `Starboard` (right) offset, what do you all think? I have other observations which I will share with you as the build goes on. you comments on the above would be appreciated Kind regards Mike PS more photos of the Hull Modification tomorrow. MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Mike, your knowledge and experience is certainly coming to the fore and giving lots of food for thought to us lesser mortals. .... Interesting facts about the offsetting of the bow spirit and yet in all the diaries I have read on this forum it is the first time i have seen it being mentioned... Just goes to show the wealth of information one can obtain in this forum..... Thanks for sharing... Regards Alan
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Hi Alan, its mentioned in issue 11 that 16th-17th century ships usually had the bowsprit set to the right as Mike has stated, i believe it should probably be set to the right as the magazine suggests, though im not sure how this would effect the rest of the build at the bow, good luck with your choices! Processing - Progressing
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