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Just thought I would post this new topic to gather if anyone else is having a problem understanding and using the rigging plans, because I find them on the verge of illedgiable. The mast plans show you where to put the blocks to a certain extent and then cover up which block it actually is with a big blue dot???. The rigging plans step by step show you where to start with big red and blue lines ,but what if you are colour blind. I think the makers are taking it for granted that most of us fought at Trafalger as rigging crew  .The plans are a bit sketchey to say the least and I would like to find out how the not so skilled builders are coping or hope to cope. The skilled builders also come to that. I have got to admit that I am struggling and I am going to revert to my little rigging bible. It is abit more detailed but one hell of a lot clearer . HMS Surprise HMS Snake HMS Bounty HMS Royal Caroline HMS Victory rebuild HMS Supply
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hi moriarty,this is a long standing problem,but first you must realise that the "surprise was not meant to be for beginners,secondly with rigging many models vary anyway,so if you have the rigging bible then by all means use it.a good example is,if you read the patrick o'brian books,you will see that the rigging was often altered to suit the weather,like forinstance the main and mizzen masts,extra back stay standing rigging cables were used in very heavy weather.and they were the messenger anchor cables.a good period rigging book is def.a must for most period ships. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Good responce Karl but you do see the problem. It isnt everybody that has got the expierience and knowledge of these riggings and a lot of builders I suspect have built to standing and running rigging only and never done the sail rigging which nigh on doubles the running rigg. It could have been done a lot simplier buy doing a readable sheet for each of these process as you would normally get with say some of the cheaper models on the market. I will cope with it but I feel for the first time builder who is going to be potentially baffled but then that is what the forum is here for, to help HMS Surprise HMS Snake HMS Bounty HMS Royal Caroline HMS Victory rebuild HMS Supply
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Hi Moriarty I know what you mean, the instructions on the DelPrado are so basic as well, and give no idea of where the lines are supposed to end up, I'll be ignoring them and following the diagrams on my Alan McGowan Victory reference book which are really good. The best set of instructions for rigging were on my very first ship; the Grimsby by Constructo. There were very few actual written instructions but there was a full sized diagram of the ship with every belaying pin given a number and the rigging lines drawn in where they were tied to something on the deck then going up to the relevant block and from there down just a short distance to a number, that number was the belaying pin to tie it off on - simples! I think all these part works could supply the same sort of thing, its only a single large sheet of paper after all! Good Luck with yours Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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 Hi Moriarty if you think the plans you have from Del Prado are bad try a billings boat kit all you get is a general drawing with no close ups of mast heads ect and about 5 lines of instructions it took me a long time to work it all out at the time regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi, I agree with Andys statement regarding Billing Boat rigging plans, dreadful at best! However, I find the best way to rig is by looking long and hard at what drawings you have, pin them on a wall and formulate a plan. Start with all the standing rigging, (thats the gear that supports and tensions the masts) including the forestays, backstays and the shrouds (which will support your ratlines). Leave plenty of free end on each piece of rope so that you can fine tune the tensioning. Tweak up the fore and aft stays then the side shrouds from the bottom of the masts, then upwards, tensioning as required to straighten the masts. When you have the standing rigging completed then start the running rigging. Do the halyards first then the working sheets. Do one at a time and use a highlighter pen on the rigging plan to show which ones you have done. You will have to leave quite a few lines 'hanging' until other lines they work with are fitted (you'll see!) and I use the little wooden pegs used for hanging xmas cards (Amazon, ref TG-YLW7-BJES9236, £1.80 for 100 + 99P postage) ideal for this purpose and many other things on the ship, and theyre not too heavy! As you work your way through you will start to understand which sheet pulls what and why, so its quite a learning process and your understanding of what made these great ships sail will be greatly enhanced. Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Tommo!
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I have been looking long and hard at rigging plans, my own, the supplied set, other models and contemporary pictures and I think the best way is to intrigate them all which is what I have been doing. It is working just fine as my build to date will show but deck fittings have been altered to accommodate these changes so it is not for everyone if you are building strictly to the plans  . If you change the rigging the deck, must be able to take it  but everybody to their own HMS Surprise HMS Snake HMS Bounty HMS Royal Caroline HMS Victory rebuild HMS Supply
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