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MWG wrote:DaDokta wrote:Hi David,
well thats the question i was thinking about. Will there be frames and spills with Mikes`s enhancement? At least Bernd in his diary doesn`t have them.
In my opinion, when adding the brass-etch parts, there`s no place left for the spills.
In the PDF-instructions Mike sent me, they are not mentioned.
And his own build diary doesn`t show the build.
So the only way to see the end-result by now - as far as i know - is Bernds build.
Further comments are welcome, cause I´m not settled 100% yet :)
Hi Walter please phone me, I would like to explain how the side Galleries should be fitted, and it is easier in voice communication to go through this.  My Tutorial of how to fit the entire Gallery Enhancement starts on Monday.(I have emailed you my help line number) Best wishes Mike Walter while I am waiting for your call please look at Jeff Averres Victory build Diary page 4 post #76 it shows his Gallery Enhancement fitted. Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Mike, i must say Jeffs gallery looks brilliant. Still the windows on the side parts sit too low, but maybe one has to ignore that. I´m really looking forward to your instructions from next Monday. And thanks for your phone number - but i wont`t call cause I´m afraid my english isn`t good enough to be able to talk to you - but thanks for the possibility. Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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DaDokta wrote:Mike, i must say Jeffs gallery looks brilliant. Still the windows on the side parts sit too low, but maybe one has to ignore that.
I´m really looking forward to your instructions from next Monday.
And thanks for your phone number - but i wont`t call cause I´m afraid my english isn`t good enough to be able to talk to you - but thanks for the possibility. Hi Walter, I am sorry I did not get the opportunity to talk with you,but I look forward to you looking in to my Victory build Diary on Monday then you will see how the Gallery Enhancement fits together correctly, inparticular with reference to the side panels.Kind Regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Walter, firstly congratulations on the birth of your son, I hope mother and baby are doing well. I am pleased you have finished your Gallery to your liking, at the end of the day you pay your money and you make your choice that is what makes our models unique, but it is a fact that the side panels supplied in my Gallery enhancement are too scale and they are the correct size, infact they are oversize from top to bottem I will quote you from the instructions you have received:- THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN FITTING RELATES TO THE HEIGHT OF THE QUARTER GALLERY SKINS. IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE SKINS CAN BE FITTED TO ALL CUSTOMER MODELS, THE QUARTER GALLERY SKINS ARE TOO TALL - THAT IS TO SAY THEY ARE OVERSIZE FROM TOP TO BOTTEM. WHEN FITTING THE QUARTER GALLERY SKINS, IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO REMOVE SOME MATERIAL FROM THE TOP EDGE IN ORDER TO PRECISELY FIT YOUR MODEL. NOTE; MATERIAL SHOULD ONLY BE REMOVED FROM THE TOP EDGE - DO NOT REMOVE MATERIAL FROM THE LOWER EDGE OR THE WINDOWS AND WINDOW FRAMES WILL BE MOVED OUT OF CORRECT ALIGNMENT. This Gallery Enhancement was manufactured by the Company who produce the Rolls Royce of Victory models. Maybe you did not do this? You seem to be preoccupied with the windows being level with the gun ports, when they are not on the real VICTORY and should not be. You were critical of other members builds, saying the side panels were too low and did not have the windows level with the gun ports. Although you say you are happy with your hybrid, it is not accurate, the rear gallery skin should be curved (as shown in my tutorial)yours does not have this curve. Your quarter gallery skins windows are much to large and you will not be able to fit the Brass etch ballustrades correctly as they should be. I have included some photos to show you that the windows on the quarter gallery on the Victory are not in line with the gunports you will see that they sit a little lower. These are actual photos I have permission to use as they are not for gain MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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And finaly Walter these are the photos of the rear and side Gallery from the instructions you received, and your ship should have looked the same, only you know why it did not  ;- You purchased a kit from me that was correct and fit for purpose, but you chose to do somthing else with it and at the end of the day that is your choice Kind Regards Mike MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Hi Walter. You where asking for peoples opinions on the issue of mikes windows on the gallery enhancement. I have the Alister McGowan book on the victory and in all the pictures the side panel windows do not run in line with gun port levels. The middle wale comes half way up lower window level, the upper whale comes central to the middle window. The moulding strip then runs from the upper window corner. I have fitted mikes gallery with no problems. I also would like to say your build is looking excellent. Keep up the good work. And congratulations on your new arrival. Ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood.
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Hi Mike, I really didn`t want to discuss this topic with you anymore because of course you won`t admit that something isn`t right with the side panels. But as you wrote in my diary, i will reply to your post. MWG wrote: but it is a fact that the side panels supplied in my Gallery enhancement are too scale and they are the correct size, infact they are oversize from top to bottem I will quote you from the instructions you have received:- THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN FITTING RELATES TO THE HEIGHT OF THE QUARTER GALLERY SKINS. IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE SKINS CAN BE FITTED TO ALL CUSTOMER MODELS, THE QUARTER GALLERY SKINS ARE TOO TALL - THAT IS TO SAY THEY ARE OVERSIZE FROM TOP TO BOTTEM. WHEN FITTING THE QUARTER GALLERY SKINS, IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO REMOVE SOME MATERIAL FROM THE TOP EDGE IN ORDER TO PRECISELY FIT YOUR MODEL.
NOTE; MATERIAL SHOULD ONLY BE REMOVED FROM THE TOP EDGE - DO NOT REMOVE MATERIAL FROM THE LOWER EDGE OR THE WINDOWS AND WINDOW FRAMES WILL BE MOVED OUT OF CORRECT ALIGNMENT. Maybe the windows are in scale, but as i said, they sit too low on the panel. Too low - so how could removing material from the top make them sit higher??? Also, the roof of the side gallery should begin just atop the upper row of windows. If you remove that much material from your parts, the roof starts way too low. MWG wrote:You seem to be preoccupied with the windows being level with the gun ports, when they are not on the real VICTORY and should not be.
I have included some photos to show you that the windows on the quarter gallery on the Victory are not in line with the gunports you will see that they sit a little lower. My modelling skills may by far not be on the level of most of the people here in the forum, but i`m no idiot! I do some research myself and also have some books with drawings of the victory. You state something and your own photos show that you are wrong. On the pictures you can clearely see that, whereas the first row of windows sits a little bit lower than the middle gun ports, the second and third row are almost level with the respective gun ports. Now have a look at the build diary of Bernd, who, as one can see, is much more skilled than me. The upper edge of his third row of windows sits completely below the lower edge of the gunports. He himself states, that the windows are too low and it has a somewhat awkward look. MWG wrote:Although you say you are happy with your hybrid, it is not accurate, the rear gallery skin should be curved (as shown in my tutorial)yours does not have this curve. What do you mean by that? The rear parts are your enhancement parts and they are as curved as they should be - don`t understand that part of your post. MWG wrote:Your quarter gallery skins windows are much to large and you will not be able to fit the Brass etch ballustrades correctly as they should be. I know that - it won`t be perfect, but at least, when you look at the model from the side, eberything`s in line, as it should be. MWG wrote:And finaly Walter these are the photos of the rear and side Gallery from the instructions you received, and your ship should have looked the same, only you know why it did not No I don`t know, why it did not. My guess is, that this picture of the side gallery shows a different model than the DeAgostini one. Because if you fit the panels to the DeA-hull the upper row of windows in no way lines up with the respective gun ports, as it almost does in this picture. That fact again can be seen in Bernds build. Why did your tutorial stop at exactly the point of fitting the parts to the hull? It`s been two months now since your last update. Maybe you`ve encountered the same problems??? You could proof me completely wrong by showing us, how you manage this. Please believe me, i`m no personal enemy of yours, i purchased your product and paid for it - so i`m allowed to critizise it. But i can`t let you always say, that everything correct with the side panels. I like the rear parts, the window crosses and of course the perfect brass parts. But the side panels aren`t right - you can`t convince me with that. And you won`t admit as of course you want to sell them. So let`s end this topic - cause we won`t come to agree. Greetings, Walter Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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Hi Ian, first of all i did not ask for peoples opinion about Mikes enhancement, i asked for opinions about my build. I never wanted a discussion about Mikes enhancement - but as Mike always insists, that i`m wrong in my diary, i have to reply. I like your build very much and also the look of the gallery. I also have the book of McGowan and i don`t know which drawings you are referring to, cause in my book the upper egdes of the second and third row of windows are quite level with the upper edges of the respective gunports. (I´m not allowed to post a drawing for proof here). On your model, the second row already sits a little too low - and when you will have cut the upper gun ports, you will see, that the upper row of windows will sit way too low. Also by having removed material from the upper edge of the panel - as said in the tutorial - your roof also sits about 1 to 1 1/2cm too low in relation to the rear panel. (compare to the original picture of the victory in my last to previous post). Don`t get me wrong, the way i biuld the side gallery, it also isn`t alike the original at all - i know that. Especially the windows itself of course look way better with the enhancement, but they are in the wrong place. Keep up the good work, greetings Walter Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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Before this turns into a slanging match can I suggest you both agree to disagree and move on.
Thanks
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Thats fine with me , as i know that critizism against Mike isn`t well tolerated in this forum.  But as he sells these parts for not a small amount of money, one should be allowed to write an opinion about them. That`s my last post about this topic. Next post will be about the wales. Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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Your criticism has been allowed has it not? 
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Yes it has. Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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hi dadokta,I think you are being a bit unfair to mike,for a start you didn't follow his instructions on fitting the windows enhancement,the stern windows has a bend,yours has not,and I think the enhancement needs to be lifted slightly to get the correct alignment,a gifted builder like yourself would have done that automatically,so lets put this argument to bed and move on. good luck. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi Karl, believe me i`m not unfair. I won`t comment the enhamcement anymore as stated above. But - what`s that thing about the stern windows? They have exactly the right bend - maybe the angle on the picture doesn`t show that. Greetings, Walter Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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Hi Walter. As long as both of us are happy with our victory is the main point. Happy building. Regards Ian. Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood.
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Ian, i completely agree with that. Greetings, Walter Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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Hi guys, i`ve been working on the wales lately. All comments welcome! Greetings, Walter DaDokta attached the following image(s): Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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Coming along nicely Walter 
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Very nice looking build Walter, credit to you....
Regards
Alan
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Thanks Mr.T, Alan :) Greetings,
Walter
Present builds:
Revell B-24D Liberator 1:48
On the shelf:
Italeri "Fiat Mefistofele", Italeri "Moto Guzzi California", Fokker "Red Baron", Revell Bismarck, Revell Tirpitz, Arab Dow, Stage Coach, .....
Completed builds:
McLaren MP4/4, D-51 Steam Locomotive, HMS Victory, GWH F-15D Eagle, St. Stephen`s Cathedral (cardboard), Solar-powered paddle Steamer (little project with my son), HMS Victory X-section, "Geli" Phantom II (cardboard)
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