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I was born half a mile inland from Southampton Water directly opposite the docks in a little town called Hythe. I didn't see the Titanic depart obviously   but I watched the troops leave for and return from the Falklands, including the Sir Galahad which never returned.  I've seen many of the famous Cunard liners, including the Queen Elizabeth 2, the Queen Mary 2 and also the Canberra leave from there besides many other 'special' Maritime things that are all part of Southamptons' rich and glorious Maritime history, but I think to have a second Titanic leaving there would just be in very bad taste to be honest and I'm not sure I would want to go home for a weekend to watch it!! Personally, I side with those who will ultimately see it as being a very bad idea from a foreigner who has disgusting taste!! 
Sorry peeps that's just my opinion as a Southampton boy and I know some will think it's great to see another ship called the Titanic (2) ... except it won't be the Titanic, so why make a big song and dance about some over rich Aussies' fantasy ship, however glorious it may be and how nostalgic it will be if it ever arrives in or departs from those hallowed waters, which I don't think it will personally!! At the risk of being seen as making light of a terrible tragedy or a 'poor taste' comment, which is not my intent since I come from the area, I sincerely hope that this Aussie Fat Cats' dream is dead in the water!!
Best leave the memory of the Titanic where it lies I think, as a memorial to all those poor souls who died on THE one AND only Titanic? If you go to the main park in Central Southampton there is a memorial with an epitaph on it to the Titanic and all who perished. It will make you want to cry just standing there and reading it, so to have such bad and very heartwrenching memories for local Sotonians being glorified by this Aussie guys' money making project (that's all it is at the end of the day!!), is just not the sort of thing that decent and respectful human beings would want to do!! Billionaires just don't do sentimental in my opinion, all they see is their next projector investment to make even more money and I see this guy as being no different. I am not at all jealous of his wealth, I'm not like that, I just strongly disagree with his idea and his motives and I sincerely wish he wouldn't try involving my home town in his money making fantasies!!
Thanks for posting the story Tom, the rant above is just my opinion on the idea mate, I'm not upset with you for posting it!!  
Kev
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I have to agree, its in bad taste and should be left well alone.
I'm not 100% sure, but would also imagine that no ship has been named Titanic since?
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I'm not 100% sure myself Tom, though I think you are correct on that one, which can only support the fact that to do such a thing would always be seen as being in VERY bad taste by MOST decent human beings otherwise it would have been done already wouldn't it??
Kev
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I couldn't have put it better myself Kev if I tried.There are certain ships names that should never have a succesor? successor? Titanic,HMS Hood,Sir Galahad to name just a few,there memories should not be tarnished ...especially by some Johnny Foreigner who hasn't even had the decency to approach a UK yard to build her...perhaps he knew the reception the idea would get. Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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Thankyou for your sentiment Rob and I think as you and Tom have both said, the very high majority of decent and intelligent people would also say exactly the same thing. With things like this where someone is trying to resurrect a name or anything else that is permanently associated with some awful tragedy, and doing it by building a 'replica', then it's one of those times when you just don't go there for whatever reason and most definitely not to make money - what a self centred lowlife he must be? I hope that when he visits Southampton in the next few weeks to discuss HIS idea of HIS ship leaving OUR historic port, he gets a very cold reception and that they won't allow it to happen no matter how much money he offers Southampton City Council for the privilege, though councillors and politicians being as corrupt as they are will probably bite his hand off as soon as he mentions the word money!!
Those who are touched by the tragedy of such an event as the sinking of the Titanic and that huge loss of life, including women and children and in such terrible conditions, really wouldn't want another ship to take away some of that memory, however much it might be a painful one. Taking away from the memory is exactly what he will be doing though he may not realise it, since people will surely be talking about his Titanic and not the real one, therefore it can only lessen the memory of the ship involved in that terrible tragedy can't it? He obviously hasn't thought about it like that, otherwise he wouldn't be doing it would he, which means the only other reason to do such a thing would be for commercial or financial gain, which he is, however much he says it is being built in memory of such a great ship. He's not daft, he knows that there are millions of Titanic fans worldwide and he would have cruises on that ship booked solid for many years to come, in the same way that there was never an empty seat on Concorde because people loved it so much!!
OK, so lets think about it another way - imagine if it does get built and it does leave Southampton for New York and it does, heaven forbid, also go and sink en route like the original? There will be a truly massive fallout heading in that guys' direction and if such a thing did occur then the greedy money motivated idiot will wish he sank with it. I wouldn't bet against it either, as far fetched as it sounds - history has a terrible habit of repeating itself in the spookiest of ways!!
Sorry to rant as I have but as I've said, I am a Southampton lad and this subject is dear to my heart since I have grown up in the very place where it all first began!!
Kev 
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It makes you wonder what he expects from it....some kind of fame or glory perhaps?
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Hmmm ... let's think about this,
Fame?? ... yes, because that brings money!!
Glory?? ... yes, because that will also bring money!!
Oh and he's probably doing it for the money as well!!
Ooops ... nearly forgot that last one!!  
Kev
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Why bother, he already has more than enough
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Apparently, you can never have enough money... What I find totally abhorrent is that he has created his shipping company and named it Blue Star Line!!! I have nothing against a replica Titanic build so long as it is not called Titanic... So many ships are built that are the same design but have unique names. Very few ever carry the same name and those are normally because it is a flagship which has been replaced with the next generation of ship. A ship of the same design should never be named after a previous ship whether it has been lost in an ill-fated accident or not... Andy Current Builds: - HMS Sovereign of the Seas Planning on Building: - Scratch built HMS Victory full detail interior (I know what's inside even if you can't see it ) Completed Builds: -
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I agree with all the above sentiments. I can tell you he's going to have a struggle to get a crew for that boat, sailors are really a superstitious lot.
I can see it all now......
'Phone rings'.....
CREW MEMBER: "Hello there, I looking for work and understand your looking for crew members for a new ocean liner your building"?
OWNER: "Yes that's right, have you had any previous experience"?
CREW MEMBER: "Yes! I have worked on the Queen Mary and quite a few of the Caribbean Princess cruises, and I also did a short stint as a trawler man as well".
OWNER: "That sounds excellent, I could use people with your experience, your hired, pick up your boarding papers when you board the ship. "
CREW MEMBER: "That's great what's the name of the ship boss?"
OWNER: "Titanic II"
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!
OWNER: "Hello......hello........!!!
OWNER: "Poor fellow, was it something I said?"
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Hi All i must say i compleatly agree with all the above sentiments and that this is one very bad idea but i hate to say this but this guy maybe onto a good cash cow. Think about it all those women who watch the Kate Winslet version week in week out would be queuing up to sail on that ship draging there husbands kicking and screaming groaning 'were doooooomed' [ aka dads army] onboard. regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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He'll probably be charging £50 for 10 minutes on the front prow "king of the world" style and £150 for 30 minutes in the vintage car... "Not enough life boats" comes free as part of the sailing package... Andy Current Builds: - HMS Sovereign of the Seas Planning on Building: - Scratch built HMS Victory full detail interior (I know what's inside even if you can't see it ) Completed Builds: -
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Hi all Whilst I agree with most of the comments above regarding taste and greed etc, I'm personally not so sure about the naming of ships sucessors as being wrong. My own step-grandfather was a marine on board HMS Hood and thankfully he was transferred off her to teach rifle gunnery at Devonport just before the start of the war. My dad told me of the day they were taken for a tea party onboard her. My own feeling is that I would love to see the biggest and most powerful new ship in the RN named "Hood" (as long as she was a real warship though, not a floating airport, yes I realise the carriers are the new capital ships but it still doesn't feel right!) I feel that giving the name of the Mighty Hood to our most powerful vessel would be honouring the lost crew from WW2, not an insult to them (thats too strong a phrase but you get the idea) and besides, just that name "Hood" is so...British I suppose. What I would really love to see is that Aussi spending his money not on a Titanic 2 but on a full size, craftsmen built replica of the old Victory herself! can you imagine the sight of her sailing in and out of the ports she once used, Portsmouth, Chatham, Plymouth and the rest?, celebrating Trafalgar Day each year with a double broadside off Gibraltar (or maybe off Calais, snicker ) And besides, think how much money he would save in not having to install luxury suites!!! PS Would it be Victory 2 or 6? First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Hi shipmates,
At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest on this thread, I believe that most of us with an open mind will be interested in this 51 minute video that I've just watched. Here is the link to it:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6kefNLykPY
As we know, several months before Titanic sailed on her infamous maiden voyage, her sister ship the Olympic was involved in a collision with a British warship HMS Hawk, incurring severe damage both below and above her waterline, a collision which damaged her keel which would not be repairable without almost completely rebuilding her.
The naval inquiry concluded that the collision was the fault of the Olympic so White star line could not claim insurance on her.
What followed was an insurance conspiracy that went as high as the prime minister of the time, and the final 'proof' can be seen in the final few minutes footage of video taken at the wreck-site after she was discovered at the bottom of the Atlantic by Robert Ballard of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in the 80's.
I hope you will find it as interesting as I did.
Regards
David
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Hi Everyone.
Agree with everyone here.
He should leave well enough alone.
Best regards all.
Mark
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Hi All. With regards to the use of the name Titanic, there HAS been at least one ship named the Titanic since the great disaster. I think it was some time last year on one of those 'rescue services' TV programs that the extraordinary story of a maritime rescue was told, it concerned a British man who was either a passenger or working his passage on a cargo ship called the Titanic which was in great difficulties and taking on water in a storm in the carribean? or that part of the world anyway. The ship's radios went down and this man used his mobile to call his parents back in the UK who then called the SW coastguard who then contacted and directed the carribean authorites who sent the rescuers to the stricken ship! All down the line it proved very difficult to persuade the next person on the telephone that the emergency was on a ship called the Titanic which was sinking!! I can't remember whether the ship went down or was saved but I do remember that the young man and the crew were rescued safely. An amazing story! First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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