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delboy271155 wrote:Hi Mike,
I am in awe of the mods as a newbie, but for my SOTS build will be sticking to the official game plan, until the skills are more finely tuned, but one thing does concern me, not with your build but the official one.
You have thinned the false keel to 1mm at the stern if I`m not mistaken?. That being so, when the final keel strips are fitted along the centre line will that not cause a step in the hull shape on the official build if we don`t do the same.
I hope that makes sense, if not I`ll try and get some sort of diagram together.
In the mean time, I have just in the last two weeks started the Victory, I PM`d you with a request for the list of enhancements a few days ago but understand you`ve had some broadband prob`s, could you let me know if you received it if not will resend.
Keep up the brilliant tutorials I for one love em, even if I`m not that far advanced.
Regards
delboy271155
(Derek) Thanks Derek, The thinning of the bead in no way interfers with the keel infact it will enhance it. It will be no thicker than the rudder at 4.5 mm (allowing for 1/2mm of sheathing on both sides of the rudder)I hope my explanation makes sence? Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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MWG wrote:delboy271155 wrote:Hi Mike,
I am in awe of the mods as a newbie, but for my SOTS build will be sticking to the official game plan, until the skills are more finely tuned, but one thing does concern me, not with your build but the official one.
You have thinned the false keel to 1mm at the stern if I`m not mistaken?. That being so, when the final keel strips are fitted along the centre line will that not cause a step in the hull shape on the official build if we don`t do the same.
I hope that makes sense, if not I`ll try and get some sort of diagram together.
In the mean time, I have just in the last two weeks started the Victory, I PM`d you with a request for the list of enhancements a few days ago but understand you`ve had some broadband prob`s, could you let me know if you received it if not will resend.
Keep up the brilliant tutorials I for one love em, even if I`m not that far advanced.
Regards
delboy271155
(Derek) Thanks Derek, The thinning of the bead in no way interfers with the keel infact it will enhance it. It will be no thicker than the rudder at 4.5 mm (allowing for 1/2mm of sheathing on both sides of the rudder)I hope my explanation makes sence? Kind regards Mike Yes Mike That makes a lot of sense, so why has the official build not gone down the same train of thought. Did you get the PM? I`m  over the Vic enhancements and don`t want to get past any in my build. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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Derek,
Because in issue 34 you will discover this is dealt with in a different way..
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Tomick wrote:Derek,
Because in issue 34 you will see why.. Does that mean it will all match up in the end if you follow the official build? Us poor newbies follow the mags and official builds to the letter and I`ve seen instances where people are doing partial rebuilds because of typo errors. I am not trying to be over critical, just want to do my best as a first build. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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MWG a few other experienced guys are building in a manner that suits themselves and also making adjustments as a matter or personal choice, and is what comes with experience and realising pitfalls, I would not recommend that the novice builder take on such mod's.
The UK issue 34 contains additional info over the Italian steps.
What errors are you referring to?
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Tomick wrote:MWG a few other experienced guys are building in a manner that suits themselves and also making adjustments as a matter or personal choice, and is what comes with experience and realising pitfalls, I would not recommend that the novice builder take on such mod's.
The UK issue 34 contains additional info over the Italian steps.
What errors are you referring to? Mr T, One that springs readily to mind on the Vic, which I have just started is the first cannon build where the carriage is shown wide end to the front. I posted a query on the point and found several people had built as per the mag and now realised they got it wrong and a correction is printed in a latter issue. Like I said I`m not trying to be over critical, I`m loving both builds but don`t want to go down one line to be told several issues later there is a correction, that`s why I ask the questions first. Kind Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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Indeed there may be the odd hiccup, though most if not all are picked up in the official build diary, so the rule of thumb is check the official build first, though its not always possible for me to accomodate a change in advance of steps which advise a change much later on, which means I also end up having to make adjustment as and when it comes to light in the mag steps, that said, these are few and far between.
Luckily you are you are early on with your Vic, and have access to see the build end to end and also look around at all the excellent other builds, which is a huge advantage.
I can see that it can get confusing for the novice of picking between what may be a necessary adjustment and those that some builders are performing for personal choice or building in their own manner, rather than being a necessary route to follow.
Sorry MWG, will let you have your diary back..
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Tomick wrote:Indeed there may be the odd hiccup, though most if not all are picked up in the official build diary, so the rule of thumb is check the official build first, though its not always possible for me to accomodate a change in advance of steps which advise a change much later on, which means I also end up having to make adjustment as and when it comes to light in the mag steps, that said, these are few and far between.
Luckily you are you are early on with your Vic, and have access to see the build end to end and also look around at all the excellent other builds, which is a huge advantage.
I can see that it can get confusing for the novice of picking between what may be a necessary adjustment and those that some builders are performing for personal choice or building in their own manner, rather than being a necessary route to follow.
Sorry MWG, will let you have your diary back.. Not a problem MT T, I find your advice well worth while  we all learn from each other, and I do like the way Derek contributs to the Thread Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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BOWSPRIT MODIFICATION Hi Team, this is the Third modification I have done on this model, I must stress this is my interpretation of how I want my Ship to look, and is just what suits me. In arriving at this Mod I looked at lots of ships of this era, all had a very forward fore Mast, and many had an offset Bowsprit (I believe because the mast would have been in the way of a Bowsprit fitted in the centre) The San Fran 2 I am building shows again the fore mast way forward and the Bowsprit offset:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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BOWSPRIT MODIFICATION The first job was to cut a piece of dowal and glue it in the hole in rib 2, then because I have fitted balsa infills it was easy fo me to cut a wedge of balsa and glue it in the old slot:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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BOWSPRIT MODIFICATION I then prepared the new slot, choosing a position on the starboard bow just to the right of the fore mast. I used a black and becker power drill with a long woodworkin drill, and with the stem in place (dry fitted) I chose the angle that I felt was right for me and sympathetic to the ship. Although the Bow sprit will be offset it will follow a centre line through the stem:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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BOWSPRIT MODIFICATION Well thats all for now I used very simple tools and methods to achieve this mod I will be doing some tidying up of the mod but I believe decking will be added to the Bow area and possibly some further structure work, Questions and comments are welcome, I will leave you with some final photos:- Kind regards Mike MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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If you need to remember what colour running lights are on each side "There is a little RED PORT LEFT in my glass" Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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Dontshootme wrote:If you need to remember what colour running lights are on each side "There is a little RED PORT LEFT in my glass" Well there you go. ANOTHER VERSION  Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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Hi Mike, nice to see you back from your hols and back to your builds.... interesting to see the modification of the bow spirit, it's all food for thought.... nice tutorial once again....
Regards
Alan
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Gandale wrote:Hi Mike, nice to see you back from your hols and back to your builds.... interesting to see the modification of the bow spirit, it's all food for thought.... nice tutorial once again....
Regards
Alan Hi Alan thank you Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Dontshootme wrote:If you need to remember what colour running lights are on each side "There is a little RED PORT LEFT in my glass" My last name is Port and I had a primary school teacher who found it really funny to call me 'Jason Right' at register  but in fairness i found it really funn when he slipped in the playground and shattered his wrist I always thought that the word 'por't was introduced to replace 'larboard' to make giving clear instruction more easy - not shore where i got that from though   “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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jase wrote:Dontshootme wrote:If you need to remember what colour running lights are on each side "There is a little RED PORT LEFT in my glass" My last name is Port and I had a primary school teacher who found it really funny to call me 'Jason Right' at register but in fairness i found it really funn when he slipped in the playground and shattered his wrist I always thought that the word 'por't was introduced to replace 'larboard' to make giving clear instruction more easy - not shore where i got that from though You're right Jase, in rough seas and stormy weather shouted instructions for Larboard and Starboard where too easily confused. According to the Biography of Fitzroy (of Beagle fame) that I've recently read, he was the main instigator of the change. Starboard comes from an old word for steering board which were always on the right (in the days before rudders) and ships always moored on the left to avoid damage to the steering board, so had to be loaded on that side hence Larboard.
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BOWSPRIT MODIFICATION Hi Team well I have cleaned up the work, and set the angle of the Bowsprit, the photos will tell the final story you will see I have lined the opening with 1.5mm x 5mm limewood trimmed to size here goes:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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BOWSPRIT MODIFICATION Moving on it starts to take shape:- MWG attached the following image(s): MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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