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court orchard wrote:jase wrote:Looks a good book. I am probably not going to purchase any books at this stage, i have a few bismarck books that tend to be around the story rather then the design of the ship. I think there is enough primary resource on the net to get the job done. That's probably right, I'm still a bit old school and can't get the same enjoyment from the Net as Ink and Paper. I tried a Kindle last year but it didn't hit the spot. I'm a Dinosaur on the Eve of Chicxulub   Well the pen is still mightier than the sword  Ill be posting all my reference links as i go. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Someone on another Forum has spotted an error in the KA MK1 instruction sheets, thought it would be useful to flag it up here. Post #5 on this page. http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_...mp;t=149456&start=40
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Thanks for the link “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Excellent build diary, very interesting and factual too. What were the zinc strips purpose where they are placed?
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nice work Jase  Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Nemesis wrote:Excellent build diary, very interesting and factual too. What were the zinc strips purpose where they are placed? I understand the zinc strips where supposed to keep various waterborne nasties from attacking the vital parts - not sure of the since behind it. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Nemesis wrote:Excellent build diary, very interesting and factual too. What were the zinc strips purpose where they are placed? I've seen these on another build, but only 2, been trying to find out what they were. Are they sacrificial anodes, to avoid screw corrosion? My other question is are they on both arms of the support or only the outer arm?
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court orchard wrote:Nemesis wrote:Excellent build diary, very interesting and factual too. What were the zinc strips purpose where they are placed? I've seen these on another build, but only 2, been trying to find out what they were. Are they sacrificial anodes, to avoid screw corrosion? My other question is are they on both arms of the support or only the outer arm? I think they are just on the outer leg that is what I will be doing. Defiantly three not two as the if you follow the link and scroll to the bottom you will see a pic of the wreck with the three visible. Also these are not hull red they are white. Interestingly the Tirpitz had a slightly different arrangement “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Looking good there Jase. Very interesting and enjoy your attention to detail. Rgds, Hans
"It's okay to make mistakes. mistakes are our teachers - they help us to to learn, even if it is painfully"
Current Build:
Endeavour Cross section,D51
Completed: HMS Victory
Under the bench: Endeavour x 2,Sovereign of the Seas, Akagi and The Black Pearl!HMS Victory Cross Section
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jase wrote:court orchard wrote:Nemesis wrote:Excellent build diary, very interesting and factual too. What were the zinc strips purpose where they are placed? I've seen these on another build, but only 2, been trying to find out what they were. Are they sacrificial anodes, to avoid screw corrosion? My other question is are they on both arms of the support or only the outer arm? I think they are just on the outer leg that is what I will be doing. Defiantly three not two as the if you follow the link and scroll to the bottom you will see a pic of the wreck with the three visible. Also these are not hull red they are white. Interestingly the Tirpitz had a slightly different arrangement Sorry Jase, I read through too fast and missed the link  . You are quite correct there are 3. They are Sacrificial Anodes (or Galvanic Anodes) these are used when Metals are in corrosive environments, that is buried or in this case in Sea Water. The process is to use a metal which corrodes more readily than the Metal you want to protect (because of it's higher Electrochemical Potential) usually Magnesium, Aluminium or Zinc (Zinc was a preferred option in Sea Water). What happens, is that these blocks corrode first rather than the valuable parts, in this case I think it's the Propellers/Screws, which are of course bare metal. These Blocks would have needed replacing regularly, as they 'took the hit' and 'rotted' away. I'm surprised that anything is left as the corrosion would have continued at the bottom of the Ocean. Maybe it's just a mounting left? Although I suppose the Props would've no longer been moving and therefore continually scoured, so would've formed a protective oxide. As to colour they would have been Bare Zinc Metal, as Paint would defeat their purpose.
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Sorry Jase, I read through too fast and missed the link . You are quite correct there are 3. They are Sacrificial Anodes (or Galvanic Anodes) these are used when Metals are in corrosive environments, that is buried or in this case in Sea Water. The process is to use a metal which corrodes more readily than the Metal you want to protect (because of it's higher Electrochemical Potential) usually Magnesium, Aluminium or Zinc (Zinc was a preferred option in Sea Water). What happens, is that these blocks corrode first rather than the valuable parts, in this case I think it's the Propellers/Screws, which are of course bare metal. These Blocks would have needed replacing regularly, as they 'took the hit' and 'rotted' away. I'm surprised that anything is left as the corrosion would have continued at the bottom of the Ocean. Maybe it's just a mounting left? Although I suppose the Props would've no longer been moving and therefore continually scoured, so would've formed a protective oxide. As to colour they would have been Bare Zinc Metal, as Paint would defeat their purpose. [/quote] Thanks Andy, so colour would be silver grey? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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I guess a Dullish Silver Grey would be about right, the same colour as Galvanized Steel which is a Zinc Coating.
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Prepping the Hull Continued...Total build time 10.5 hours
I have now completed the initial sanding of the hull. The sink points have sanded out ok I only really needed to fill at the bow. All the hand irons and eybrows have gone, I also removed the little molded on brackets as i will be replacing these.
Next job was to fit the deck to allow me to make a couple of further modifications to the hull. The deck goes in snugly with only some very minor gaps to fill.  As always any comments warmly received Thanks“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Hi Jase, I've just noticed that there are Sacrificial Anodes on the Rudders as well 10 on each side of each Rudder. Trumpeter have thankfully added them. So these will need painting Zinc too.
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court orchard wrote:Hi Jase,
I've just noticed that there are Sacrificial Anodes on the Rudders as well 10 on each side of each Rudder. Trumpeter have thankfully added them. So these will need painting Zinc too. Yes if you look at my pis above you will see that kit provides the rudders with them already on and in the correct positions. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Hi Jase It would seam we both got the good hulls as there have been a few issue's with the hulls being out of shape on other forums also my decals have the arms of the swastika but not the central cross, its not really an issue though as I will be building mine in atlantic break out paintwork so they were painted out anyway. Keep up the good work regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy, i was not aware of the hull issue, glad i did not get one  yep the decals don't have the centre cross because it is illegal to display or trade items with swastikas in Germany. To be honest i would have preferred a stencil to a decal I have not decided what i am doing with the deck markings yet. All sorts of theories fly about the net but the wreck clearly shows grey paint still over the markings in patches - and i still fancy yellow turrets  “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Coming together very nicely Jase.... following with interest even though I don't think I would be building these kind of ships... sailing ships is my preference.... at least for now that is.. Regards Alan
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Well Alan if you were to ever do just one war ship this would be the one even straight from the box its a tremendous kit. “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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