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Is there any way you can brace them? flat metal strips underneath? just a thought J “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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 Hi Jase Thanks for looking in , I had thought of adding some bracing but the hangar trays prevent this working so well as it restricts the braces to the centre of the decks. The decks have an alternating strip of brass at the joints so I may have a play with fixing these but still be able to slide out the in between decks [ that's if the refuges don't get in the way]. I certainly need to have a good think about this one Regards Andy  Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy, sorry to hear about the warping decks....  Iif you are experience warping of the decks now at this early stage then I would be very very tempted to glue them all down.... I would be very concerned about the possiblitity of the warping becoming worse over a period of time, esepcially when the build is finished and on display..... Just my thoughts and am sure you will come up with the right solution..... Best regards Alan
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Hi Andy, Love the look of the decking it looks fab . Am I correct in that these decks on the finished model are meant to be removeable to display the hangers below. If so is it not possible to fit magnets to them to hold them down. Don't know if this would cure any warpage that your experiencing but it a shame to glue them down and hide forever your handy work below. Regards. Gareth Completed models,Hachette Titanic.Deags. Hms Victory. Hachette Hems Hood.Ongoing builds. Deags Akagi,Deags Sovereign of the Seas,Deags Spitfire,On my wish list.Yamato.Royal Navy world war 2 aircraft carrier.
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Hi Andy! In Japan, a lot of Akagi builders also troubled with the warped plates. The reason why the plates were warped is that the wood materials are alive. There are 2 solutions for this trouble. 1. Attach the flight deck plates perfectly on the hull I think that the design of his model is basically mistaken. Free wood plates are tend to be warped. Many Japanese builders gave up the open mechanism of the hanger and glued the flight deck. 2. Re-make the flight deck plates by using plastic plates I did not give up the open mechanism because I have to equip the lifts. I introduced my method in the following webpage. Although this page is written in only Japanese, photos will help you understand. Although plastic plates are not warped, glued woods or papers on the plates make the plates warp. This solutions can not prevent the plates from being warp perfectly. I additionally attached fastening screws between the plates and hull as shown in attached pictures. http://homepage2.nifty.com/yhonma/purakouhann.htm
Best Regards, Yutaro Yutaro HONMA attached the following image(s): DeAGOSTINI 1/250 the YAMATO, 1/250 the AKAGI.
Hasegawa Co. 1/350 Battle ship NGATO, 1/350 Aircraft carrier Akagi, Battle ship MIKASA.
Water line series 1/700 Battle ship YAMATO, HIEI, YAMASHIRO, Aircraft carrier HIRYU,TAIHO, Heavy Cruiser Myoukou, Ashigara, Nachi, Haguro & others.
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Yutaro HONMA wrote:Hi Andy! In Japan, a lot of Akagi builders also troubled with the warped plates. The reason why the plates were warped is that the wood materials are alive. There are 2 solutions for this trouble. 1. Attach the flight deck plates perfectly on the hull I think that the design of his model is basically mistaken. Free wood plates are tend to be warped. Many Japanese builders gave up the open mechanism of the hanger and glued the flight deck. 2. Re-make the flight deck plates by using plastic plates I did not give up the open mechanism because I have to equip the lifts. I introduced my method in the following webpage. Although this page is written in only Japanese, photos will help you understand. Although plastic plates are not warped, glued woods or papers on the plates make the plates warp. This solutions can not prevent the plates from being warp perfectly. I additionally attached fastening screws between the plates and hull as shown in attached pictures. http://homepage2.nifty.com/yhonma/purakouhann.htm
Best Regards, Yutaro Looks like a good solution to me and may be quicker than altering what you have Andy? “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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Hi Alan Thanks for your comment's and looking in, as you say and I agree long term display will just increase warping on any free floating decks and that's down to the materials used,the only way to stop ply warping is to fix it to something permamently also the glueing of the paper decks cause warping aswell. The decks in my opinion should have been supplied in plastic card or the like or some material that's inert to changes in temperature and damp regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Gaz You are correct that the 5 [ I think] central panels are removable to access the lower hangar decks and that your idea about using magnets would be a good idea if you could get miniature super strength ones, but I think over time that the warping would win the game. Thanks for looking in and your comments Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Yaturo Thank you for your informative solution to the warping decks, although I am still undecided on what road to take. You are also right about glueing of anything on the plates makes then warp I even tried Spray mount and had the same problem and had fixed the plates flat to a piece of glass. Your idea to use stips of metal attached to the hull is quite good but I would like to see how these attach to the deck plates Thanks for your help and advice as always Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Jase It may be a way to go , its just figuring out how to attach the decks to the metal strips or have I missed something somewhere regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi All Another piece of deck added Andy arpurchase attached the following image(s): Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy! Although I am sorry to be meddling as usual, I guess you and shipmates are close to a small pitfall because some of my friend fell into the same pitfall. I think you are close to the stage where line decals are attached on the flight deck. The decals are so large that it is difficult to attach them on a straight line exactly. Without putting marks on the deck, the decals run easily meandering on the flight deck. I attach a shema. Just a string is needed for preparation. It is very simple method but DeAGOSTINI Japan did not tell us it. A lot of Japanese Akagi builders noticed it was very difficult to put the decals on the deck when they had just started their work. Decals were in the water then. It is a technique of Japanese carpenters. I think UK carpenters may also use it. Best Regards, Yutaro Yutaro HONMA attached the following image(s): DeAGOSTINI 1/250 the YAMATO, 1/250 the AKAGI.
Hasegawa Co. 1/350 Battle ship NGATO, 1/350 Aircraft carrier Akagi, Battle ship MIKASA.
Water line series 1/700 Battle ship YAMATO, HIEI, YAMASHIRO, Aircraft carrier HIRYU,TAIHO, Heavy Cruiser Myoukou, Ashigara, Nachi, Haguro & others.
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Hi Yaturo We are close to the white stripes and thanks for your idea and yes that way of marking is used here also by carpenters. One other way is to get a chalk string , if you flick the string it leaves a straight line of chalk on the surface but the water may quickly remove the chalk so marking is better regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy! I'm very interested in chalk method. Japanese carpenters use Indian ink. They dip the string in the Indian ink. I attach a picture. This is a traditional and actual tool for the Japanese carpenters. Please guess how to use it.  Best Regards, Yutaro Yutaro HONMA attached the following image(s): DeAGOSTINI 1/250 the YAMATO, 1/250 the AKAGI.
Hasegawa Co. 1/350 Battle ship NGATO, 1/350 Aircraft carrier Akagi, Battle ship MIKASA.
Water line series 1/700 Battle ship YAMATO, HIEI, YAMASHIRO, Aircraft carrier HIRYU,TAIHO, Heavy Cruiser Myoukou, Ashigara, Nachi, Haguro & others.
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Hi Yaturo A very nicely crafted tool, I love tools that are crafted like that but have an equal function. I guess the string goes on the real and the ink in the bowl under the turtles nose but where the string threads through is hard to see regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy Good to hear your back on deck, she's looking very impressive..... A bit concerning the news of the deck warping. I've only just started her, but at this early stage, I'm in two minds as to whether I should glue them in place or not. I'm now leaning toward fixing them down permanently, which would save a lot of time doing internals that won't be seen. Phil You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough.
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bluedot0 wrote:Hi Andy
Good to hear your back on deck, she's looking very impressive.....
A bit concerning the news of the deck warping. I've only just started her, but at this early stage, I'm in two minds as to whether I should glue them in place or not. I'm now leaning toward fixing them down permanently, which would save a lot of time doing internals that won't be seen.
Phil I have mine still waiting to go into the stocks but I am also concerned with this problem. If the deck was permanently fixed what exactly would be lost & would it detract that much anyway as when I get round to building her she will go into a case when finished. Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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Hi Rob and Phil Yaturo pointed out this problem a while back, in Japan a lot of the builders of the Akagi just stuck down the decks to stop the warping, there are two reasons for the warping one its floating plywood and will react to variances in temperature and humidity the other is that just sticking down the paper decks will cause them to warp I have tried PVA and spray mount with the same results. Some modelers like Yaturo replaced the the ply with plastic card but still had some warping problems with this medium. What do you lose by sticking down the decks is as follows the lift internals, motors/pulleys ect and the 3 trays that separate the hangar into the two decks under the flight deck .So no need to make up the internal trays or fit the motors if you stick the decks down the only internals that must be made up are the lift boxes as these are used to line up the outer hangar sections to the hull. Hope this answers your question regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy! Yes, you are right. The string winded around the reel is pulled out through a hole under the turtle. The cotton is actually dipped in indian ink. The string absorbs the ink when it passes through the wet cotton. There is a small hole under the crane bird. The string passes this hole and is connected to the pick in the picture. This tool is so heavy that it can not be moved if the string is stretched. A carpenter puts the tool on the mark and he pulls the string and pricks another mark with the pick. After stretching the string between the two marks, he pinches and lifts the string. As he let go of the string, a black straight line is marked momentary. I was very surprised at this work when I saw it at first time.  Best Regards, Yutaro DeAGOSTINI 1/250 the YAMATO, 1/250 the AKAGI.
Hasegawa Co. 1/350 Battle ship NGATO, 1/350 Aircraft carrier Akagi, Battle ship MIKASA.
Water line series 1/700 Battle ship YAMATO, HIEI, YAMASHIRO, Aircraft carrier HIRYU,TAIHO, Heavy Cruiser Myoukou, Ashigara, Nachi, Haguro & others.
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Hi Andy and All Once displaying the Akagi in the showcase, I have seldom taken out it from the showcase. Although I did not presume to fix the flight deck, I have never opened the deck panels. She is now sleeping in the showcase provided from DeAGOSTINI Japan. Best Regards, Yutaro Yutaro HONMA attached the following image(s): DeAGOSTINI 1/250 the YAMATO, 1/250 the AKAGI.
Hasegawa Co. 1/350 Battle ship NGATO, 1/350 Aircraft carrier Akagi, Battle ship MIKASA.
Water line series 1/700 Battle ship YAMATO, HIEI, YAMASHIRO, Aircraft carrier HIRYU,TAIHO, Heavy Cruiser Myoukou, Ashigara, Nachi, Haguro & others.
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