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Capt Stedders
#21 Posted : 02 June 2010 14:11:59

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You'll probably need to order a complete issue 6.

When it arrives, perhaps you could try tracing your new part 6 onto a spare bit of the carrier wood and make a replacement for your broken bit, you would then be able to have a practice on your spare launch.

If not, you'll have plenty of spare planking.

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#22 Posted : 02 June 2010 15:35:14

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I agree with Capt stedders, as this is exactly what i have done....need the practice RollEyes
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#23 Posted : 02 June 2010 17:01:49

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Thanks everyone who have given advise about glue i will order the thick super glue from cornwal models

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#24 Posted : 02 June 2010 19:11:12

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eoinkm wrote:

Thanks Mike for your words of wisdom. I did actuall try and stick the parts back together but I felt I wasn't getting the result. How do I Re-order part 6?

Thanks

Eoin


Eoin,

You can order back issues from here:

HMS Victory Back Issues
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David

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#25 Posted : 03 June 2010 04:09:14

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Tomick wrote:
Cyano or Superglue as it is more commonly known, shouldn't be used for sealing knots on rigging thread unless your very familiar with the thread quality. Cyano has a tendancy to soak through threads, with the end result being that the thread can become brittle and snap, if in doubt don't use Cyano, use diluted PVA.



Totally agree with you there Tomick, and just a reminder to have a look at my earlier post about Superglue/Cyano. Ebay is a great shopping tool, but as always, always check the feedback and pay via Paypal, Then if it does go wrong at least you can get all your money back!!
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tottaly agree, just bought 100grm. thick cyno £9.98 with postage.thats a quarter the price in model shops.on e-bay.
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I have used locktite (spelt wrong)Flapper super glue gel for other model kits and most discount retails sell it for 79 or 99p per tube,BigGrin BigGrin is that cheapBlink Blink
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eoinkm wrote:
Hi guys,
I have just attempted to build the launch however I failed miserably and snapped part #4, so didn't get very far.

This is, as you can imagine, quite frustrating.
How do you order the parts again?

Thanks




i done the same i superclueed the part back together instead of buyen the new part worked for me mate and looks just as good just sand it down abit after so its not ruff thanx
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super clue worked a treat thanx lads i had the same problem with 1 of the rips snaping thax again good luck on the build guys
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This post seems a good enought place to add this question.

Is there any pictures/drawings of the Launch with the sail up and ful ready fo sail?
Ive done the usual google search but came up with nothing apart from a small picture of the scale model of the Launch.


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Zeptrader wrote:
This post seems a good enought place to add this question.

Is there any pictures/drawings of the Launch with the sail up and ful ready fo sail?
Ive done the usual google search but came up with nothing apart from a small picture of the scale model of the Launch.




Good Morning Colin

You have raised an interesting question! Having invested in Alan McGowan's book, I thought I would have a look for ships boats info.

1st point is that the drawing of the launch clearly shows a mounting for a second mast forward in the bows. The masts appear to pass through metal rings fixed into the trailing edge of a thwart. In the case of the 'additional mast' it is the foremost thwart.

So I'm suggesting that at present the extra bits in issue 9 are one mast short of a full complement!.

2nd resource from the book is the picture below



This is the replica cutter which is regularly sailed at re-enactment events etc and I would think that the sail plan for the launch would be much the same with a spar supporting a square sail on each mast.

Hope this is what you were after

Mike T

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Sorry Mike I didnt see your reply til now, thanks, that is very helpfull.

here's a question or you, is that Alan McGowan book worth the money spent getting hold of a copy?

Looks like we are gonna have to make another small mast and 2 yards, bloody small thought.
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Hi Colin

I got a copy for just over £30 on E-bay from a small bookseller.

I think it is a very good book. The history of the ship in terms of re-fits and restoration is fascinating. If you accept that the technical committee that researched Victory for the Portsmouth restoration are the acknowledged experts, then there is a lot of information in the book. There is also a large number of very clear drawings by John McKay which should provide some useful information as each stage in the construction is reached.

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Cheers Mike T
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Hi Mike...I too have a copy of Alan McGowan's book HMS Victory Her Construction, Career And Restoration. Got it around three weeks ago...all fascinating stuff, and I saw your posted picture from page 80 which describes it as a 25ft cutter under sail before the colour scheme was updated? But could not make any sense of the colour description? Being a black and white picture at that. I assume buff would be Yellow Ochre and would the rubbing strakes be a problem to to varnish in such small detail, if we are going to employ the minutest details to our model as I shall, is there any way we can confirm these colours? Thanks mate...Confused
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#36 Posted : 14 June 2010 10:59:53

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Hi Colin,

The info in this link notes two masts for the Launch amongst lots of other useful info http://www.sculptor-iangb.com/hms-victory.htm

However, Longridge's Launch shows no masts, Gowan shows two and the Anatomy book show's only a bow mast hole Crying

Keith Julier's book shows the build of the Panart 34ft Launch, which has a single mast though has central & bow mast holes, which have mast rests inserted for stowing the mast as per the photo below.

I've also read that on occasion a bow carronade was placed on a wooden structure attached to the first benches, which slid back and forth, recoiling on two slits made on the two carrying guides and was manoeuvred by two forward and aft placed tackles. The marksman occupied himself to raise the cannon while the helmsman was responsible to align the bow at the target, this can be seen in Panarts armed 34ft Launch in this link.

http://www.naturecoast.com/hobby/ma748.htm



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Panart Mantua 1-16 34ft victory launch kit.jpg
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#37 Posted : 14 June 2010 13:32:41

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Thanks for that Tomick, I guess it's down to interpritaion really, 2 mast's seems to be the way to go but on seeing some close up pictures of smaller craft the rigging could follow that method.



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jonny7england wrote:
Hi Mike...I too have a copy of Alan McGowan's book HMS Victory Her Construction, Career And Restoration. Got it around three weeks ago...all fascinating stuff, and I saw your posted picture from page 80 which describes it as a 25ft cutter under sail before the colour scheme was updated? But could not make any sense of the colour description? Being a black and white picture at that. I assume buff would be Yellow Ochre and would the rubbing strakes be a problem to to varnish in such small detail, if we are going to employ the minutest details to our model as I shall, is there any way we can confirm these colours? Thanks mate...Confused


Just to add to the mix Jonny, Tomick's official build shows the thwarts and stern sheets as white, the same as I assume in the instructions. However, if you look up the HMS Victory web site colour scheme Victory Colour Scheme it says: Ships Boats: (excluding the Admiral's Barge)
Interior - to be Yellow Ochre or `sad colour' (Yellow-Brown). Thwarts and Sternsheets to be natural varnish.


Also would the bottom planks be white? they would get dirty very quickly, are they not more likely to be yellow ochre, the same as the rest of the interior as above?

What do other 'Victory painters' think? Confused


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#39 Posted : 15 June 2010 16:43:58

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Correct Mike, painted as per the mag advice, personally I would have opted for unpainted internals and satin or matt varnished.
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Albeit not the launch but here is an internal shot of Admirals barge showing duckboards..they are indeed varnished
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