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Lower hull planking continues and to be truthful I am finding it a lot trickier than I thought...  . Still running with my instincts here but am sticking to a couple of golden rules namely, allowing the planks to run where they want to lie, no forcing into place and only tapering to half a plank width maximum...  . Getting round the bow has shown it to be a very sharp curve really forcing the plank to rise quite sharply.... more droppers required but decided to change the kind of droppers used and as long as I do the same on the other side then I will maintain a balanced appearance...  The stern requires a very sharp bend in the plank and so far no success, splittin on two attempts.... That is even after soaking the walnut in hot water for 20 minutes...  .. will have another attempt tomorrow.... Ok, now the pics.....  , not sure if it's right but it is working....  Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Hi Alan That looks fantastic! Don't tell the wife but I stick the end to be curved in the kettle and boil three times  .I have managed a 10 mm radius on 2mm thick walnut using this technique! Kind Regards Nigel
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NMBROOK wrote:Hi Alan That looks fantastic! Don't tell the wife but I stick the end to be curved in the kettle and boil three times .I have managed a 10 mm radius on 2mm thick walnut using this technique! Kind Regards Nigel Thanks Nigel for the very high praise, appreciated.... .. Will try the kettle tomorrow and see how it goes, the stern plank requires an almost 90 degree bend so may have to do it in stages..... here we go with the experimentation again.... .Thanks again. Regards Alan
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Hi Alan. That's looking brilliant as ever, especially the stealers and according to one of my (now very old) 'how to do it' type books, the type of joints you're putting in are exactly right! Apparently that first one you did is called a 'Joggle Plank' As for the sharp plank on the stern, if all else fails you could try the nasty alternative: Household Ammonia. The same book as above, "Planking Ships" by Richard Mansir (Moonraker Workbook Number 1) put me on to using it on the Grimsby which was single planked in double thickness hardwood planks! And it worked really well, as long as you have good ventilation. At the time I was building her in a workshop built on the end of my Dad's garage so ventilation was no problem - frost bite in winter was though! I soaked the planks half a dozen at a time in a laboratory glass thingy, essentially a huge 100ml test tube with a flat base and you could almost tie the planks in knots after a good soak. If you have a garage or garden shed I would recommend soaking a couple of planks overnight outside and just bring them in when you are ready, leaving the ammonia itself outside. Once removed from the ammonia you'll have about 20 minutes to bend them into place and then just let them dry off in situ. I did the whole hull of Grimsby in that fashion, pinning the planks in place when wet then removing them again once dry and PVA-ing them back in place. It's nasty stuff admittedly, but equally, very effective! Hope you can sort it out, and keep up the great planking! Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Probably safer to get a six quid kettle from Tesco, then risk the wrath of SWMBO Great work by the way Alan. PS Ammonia works but will bleach the Walnut.
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Or buy a cheap baby sterilizer/steamer like Jase recommended and Delboy got for around a squid of flea bay and looking a treat Alan regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Alan, She's looking Good, if your going to ammonia remember it will lighten the walnut. Personally I see which way the strip want's to bend, mark, soak overnight in water wipe off the excess water glue and clamp, because its wet the white glue gets a very good bond. It works for my 2mm thick walnut. Sandy
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That's a good point that Sandy makes, in that normal strip wood will bend much better one way in preference to the other. This is because of the way it was cut in reference to the grain, one side will start to split away, much more readily. I always test bend my strips and mark the side that will form the inside of the curve. I mention this as the Bamboo doesn't have a preferential bending direction and now we are moving to other strip woods it's important to be aware of this.
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Thanks for pointing out the bit about ammonia lightening walnut boys, I never knew that! The Grimsby's hull planks were a mahogany coloured wood possibly Sapele? and the ammonia didn't alter the colour at all. Sorry Alan! Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Plymouth57 wrote:Hi Alan. That's looking brilliant as ever, especially the stealers and according to one of my (now very old) 'how to do it' type books, the type of joints you're putting in are exactly right! Apparently that first one you did is called a 'Joggle Plank' As for the sharp plank on the stern, if all else fails you could try the nasty alternative: Household Ammonia. The same book as above, "Planking Ships" by Richard Mansir (Moonraker Workbook Number 1) put me on to using it on the Grimsby which was single planked in double thickness hardwood planks! And it worked really well, as long as you have good ventilation. At the time I was building her in a workshop built on the end of my Dad's garage so ventilation was no problem - frost bite in winter was though! I soaked the planks half a dozen at a time in a laboratory glass thingy, essentially a huge 100ml test tube with a flat base and you could almost tie the planks in knots after a good soak. If you have a garage or garden shed I would recommend soaking a couple of planks overnight outside and just bring them in when you are ready, leaving the ammonia itself outside. Once removed from the ammonia you'll have about 20 minutes to bend them into place and then just let them dry off in situ. I did the whole hull of Grimsby in that fashion, pinning the planks in place when wet then removing them again once dry and PVA-ing them back in place. It's nasty stuff admittedly, but equally, very effective! Hope you can sort it out, and keep up the great planking! Robin Hi Robin, thanks for the info.... Not sure I would want to go down the route of using Ammonia, have used it before and I think I was on a high for about a month,,,, ... Think I have got the problem solved, simply a good old soak for a couple of hours and then when I started the bending process I resorted to steam from the kettle... Couple of planks laid and bent, now secured wet to the hull waiting to dry... will have a look tomorrow and glue in place if everything looks ok.... Have to say I am now a little confused.... the way I cut the planks I called droppers which is what I thought they were yet you have called them stealers... I thought stealers were really used on the stern to increase the number of planks and droppers to reduce..... .. Now a confused puppy but at my age it's easy to get confused... Thanks again... Regards Alan
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court orchard wrote:Probably safer to get a six quid kettle from Tesco, then risk the wrath of SWMBO Great work by the way Alan. PS Ammonia works but will bleach the Walnut. Thanks Andy, amonia is out as I certainly don't want to bleach the Walnut.... Thanks for the heads up... Regards Alan
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arpurchase wrote: Or buy a cheap baby sterilizer/steamer like Jase recommended and Delboy got for around a squid of flea bay and looking a treat Alan regards Andy Thanks Andy, will have a look and see what I can find.... Regards Alan
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SandyM wrote:Hi Alan,
She's looking Good, if your going to ammonia remember it will lighten the walnut.
Personally I see which way the strip want's to bend, mark, soak overnight in water wipe off the excess water glue and clamp, because its wet the white glue gets a very good bond. It works for my 2mm thick walnut.
Sandy Thanks Sandy, appreciate the advice.... Tried as you suggested, soaked for a few hours and bent using steam from the kettle.... think I have the problem solved..... .. Thanks again.. Regards Alan
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Hi Alan! Er, yes, droppers and stealers! I was looking at the illustration of the stern in that book! You're absolutely right! That's why I generally call all the different bits planks!!! Glad you sorted out the bending of those ......what were they called again, Oh yes!..... planks! Keep it up. Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Hi Alan! Do we see some new pics today with your progress? I think planking the stern is a little bit tricky Regards, Bernd
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der Gohfelder wrote:Hi Alan! Do we see some new pics today with your progress? I think planking the stern is a little bit tricky Regards, Bernd Hoping to post later today Bernd and I have to agree, the second planking especially round the bow and stern requires more patience. I have found it tricky but think I am getting there... .. No blue words used.... ...YET!.. Regards Alan
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My model making skills have definately reached a new high.... .. Maybe I should be known as The Cobbler of the Seas.... Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Hi Alan! Me too (just finished row 14) Regards, Bernd
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