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looking great alan  mind if i ask where you got your walnut from? Processing - Progressing
Previous builds: HMS Victory
Current build: HMS Sovereign of the seas
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Well second planking continuing and I thought all was going well but now not so sure, especially with regards to the stern.... The bow is working out fine so don't really have any concerns there. The stern also appeared to be going well, managing to get the sharp bend in the planks and following the way the planks want to lie, but the next plank is just going to lay straight over the top of the planks in place after it has taken the bend....  .. May be quiet for a while until I can work out the best way to tackle this, the magazine instructions are a little vague in this area.....  .. Hoping Mr T can give us a close up Pic of his stern area so at least I can see what we are really trying to achieve....  Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Now thinking perhaps to continue but cut the end of the planks along the last plank laid up the stern, giving me a herringbone effect.... May be unauthordox but would possibly solve the problem..... Would be a shame to have to remove what I've done so far.... .. Thinking some more.... .. Stern is a lot more trickier than you may think...  Regards Alan
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Hi Alan. I see what you mean about that stern in your photos. To be honest I think on the real ship the section below the aft gunports would be completely separate to the hull planks. The Grimsby was very similar in that area, the stern was planked first and sanded flush to the sides and then the side hull planks were cut flush to the ends of the first ones (if you can understand that!) Getting those planks to turn that sharp a corner is a real tribute to your skills! Best of luck! Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Hi Alan, I have a little sketch that may be of some help.I think the problem lies in the fact that the planks coming round the corner need to be tapered to produce a fan effect.However I have come up with a solution that should only involve removing one plank.Hope this may help. Kind regards Nigel NMBROOK attached the following image(s):
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Plymouth57 wrote:Hi Alan.
I see what you mean about that stern in your photos. To be honest I think on the real ship the section below the aft gunports would be completely separate to the hull planks. The Grimsby was very similar in that area, the stern was planked first and sanded flush to the sides and then the side hull planks were cut flush to the ends of the first ones (if you can understand that!)
Getting those planks to turn that sharp a corner is a real tribute to your skills!
Best of luck!
Robin Thanks Robin, I see what you mean.... Am trying to follow the instructions in the mag but as I said they are a little vague as to how to achieve the turn under the hull.... The next plank really wants to rise right on top of most of the planks laid on the stern....  .. Thanks again.... Regards Alan
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NMBROOK wrote:Hi Alan,
I have a little sketch that may be of some help.I think the problem lies in the fact that the planks coming round the corner need to be tapered to produce a fan effect.However I have come up with a solution that should only involve removing one plank.Hope this may help.
Kind regards Nigel Hi Nigel, think it's a great idea and I appreciate the effort of the diagram.... .. Thing is, am not too sure this would work either, the next plank want to go over the top of most of the stern planks, the rise I think is too steep for your solution to work..... .. Thanks again, your input is invaluable.... .. Oh, and in addition, the planks already in situ have a slight taper from the sharp bend onwards..... Really need a close up view of Mr T's official build to see how he tackled this area.... Regards Alan
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Gandale wrote:Plymouth57 wrote:Hi Alan.
I see what you mean about that stern in your photos. To be honest I think on the real ship the section below the aft gunports would be completely separate to the hull planks. The Grimsby was very similar in that area, the stern was planked first and sanded flush to the sides and then the side hull planks were cut flush to the ends of the first ones (if you can understand that!)
Getting those planks to turn that sharp a corner is a real tribute to your skills!
Best of luck!
Robin Thanks Robin, I see what you mean.... Am trying to follow the instructions in the mag but as I said they are a little vague as to how to achieve the turn under the hull.... The next plank really wants to rise right on top of most of the planks laid on the stern.... .. Thanks again.... Regards Alan Robin, just wanted to add how I achieved the sharp bend on the Walnut... First I soaked the planks in boiling water throughout the course of the day, changing the water every 30 mins or so.... When starting to fit I would apply the steam from the kettle, bend a little in situ, then back to steam and progressivly the bend would reach the point I wanted.... Key here is take time with it and be patient, bend to much and it will splinter..tease it round... .. Hope this helps.. Regards Alan
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Hi Alan, unfortunately an image of my stern won't help as the hull has been painted.
If you closely look at the step 7 image and particularly step 8 of issue 37, you'll notice that the side planking for the first 5 planks has been cut at the corner rather than bent around it. The rest of the planking runs uncut down onto the transom.
As Nigel has said, as a normal rule the planks coming round the corner need tapering to produce a fan effect. What you have at the moment is too steep an angle which will look odd once you start to lay the planking at the opposite end which is only a slight angle.
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Tomick wrote:Hi Alan, unfortunately an image of my stern won't help as the hull has been painted.
If you closely look at the step 7 image and particularly step 8 of issue 37, you'll notice that the side planking for the first 5 planks has been cut at the corner rather than bent around it. The rest of the planking runs uncut down onto the transom.
As Nigel has said, as a normal rule the planks coming round the corner need tapering to produce a fan effect. What you have at the moment is too steep an angle which will look odd once you start to lay the planking at the opposite end which is only a slight angle.
Thanks Mr T, appreciate your guidance on this one and now think I am back on track.... Thanks again Alan
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Ok, dealing with my stern problem and a huge thanks to Mr T for pointing out a step I missed and where the instructions were a little unclear.... .. What I didn't see until it was pointed out is that the first 5 planks are cut at the edge, they are not bent round as I had it...  .. When I put the optivisors on and took a closer look at the mag it stood out a mile....  .. Here is where we were.... Gandale attached the following image(s):
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First thing I did was to cut of the planks that bent round the stern.... all that hard work and effort for nothing but hey, another lesson learnt... .. The 5 offending planks round the stern area were removed and the area cleaned up with fine sandpaper.. .. Then laid the 6th plank, wet of course and bent it round the transom, ensuring I let the plank lay where it wanted to go.... Pinned in place until dry... Then glued in place using alphatic.... Think now it is looking a lot better and have the planks coming down the transom at a much better angle.... Correct me if any of my terminology is wrong.... Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Next I cut planks to start filling the gap, in order for it to look authentic I decided I wanted to fill in with 5 planks to match the planks along the side.. Glued everything in place and when dry used a very fine sanding block to round off the joined edges, giving the appearance the planks are actuall bending round the transom rather than having been cut.... .. Think the pics give a clearer idea of what was done.... Planks from here on will all have slight tapers to ensure a shallower angle as we get closer to the keel..... .. Think it has turned out very well and feel I am now back on track.... Still have to trim up the plank ends but will do that when I have more added... Happy building folks.... Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Very,very impressive work Alan .This looks infinitely better than the other options available.It is a worthwhile check just to wet the sanded corner just to make sure the wood is not too thin that it has become translucent.Sometimes varnish can show this up.I would use white spirit but as you used marker for your caulking I would stick to a little water on a piece of kitchen roll. Kind Regards Nigel
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NMBROOK wrote:Very,very impressive work Alan .This looks infinitely better than the other options available.It is a worthwhile check just to wet the sanded corner just to make sure the wood is not too thin that it has become translucent.Sometimes varnish can show this up.I would use white spirit but as you used marker for your caulking I would stick to a little water on a piece of kitchen roll. Kind Regards Nigel Hi Nigel and thank you for the very nice comment.... .. Have already checked that and although I have use permanent marker I still cleaned the area down with a little white spirit with no ill effects... .. and no, it's not too thin to cause problems.. Have also been doing a little experimentation on some walnut offcuts, have given them a coat of walnut stain with a coat of matt varnish on top and so far it looks really good.... .. Am thinking of applying a coat of stain prior to varnishing... .. Going to glue some offcuts together that have also had the marker caulking just to make doubly sure nothing untowards happens..... .. Will post some pics when done so you can see the effect.... Regards Alan
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Gandale wrote:NMBROOK wrote:Very,very impressive work Alan .This looks infinitely better than the other options available.It is a worthwhile check just to wet the sanded corner just to make sure the wood is not too thin that it has become translucent.Sometimes varnish can show this up.I would use white spirit but as you used marker for your caulking I would stick to a little water on a piece of kitchen roll. Kind Regards Nigel Hi Nigel and thank you for the very nice comment.... .. Have already checked that and although I have use permanent marker I still cleaned the area down with a little white spirit with no ill effects... .. and no, it's not too thin to cause problems.. Have also been doing a little experimentation on some walnut offcuts, have given them a coat of walnut stain with a coat of matt varnish on top and so far it looks really good.... .. Am thinking of applying a coat of stain prior to varnishing... .. Going to glue some offcuts together that have also had the marker caulking just to make doubly sure nothing untowards happens..... .. Will post some pics when done so you can see the effect.... Regards Alan Very wise move Alan need to be be careful with anything spirit based and permanent marker.Look forward to seeing your sample. Kind Regards Nigel
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Admiral Anti Spiral wrote:looking great alan mind if i ask where you got your walnut from? Sorry Admiral, just realised I hadn't replied to your post... I got all my walnut for CMB, very reasonably priced and good quality.... Hope this helps. Regards Alan
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Stunning job as all ways Alan . Well done on the fix . The stern looks bril Rgd Martyn Building ?
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Some beautiful work there Alan, you obviously have a flair for this. Your repair looks great and the effect came out perfect. Well done. Rgds, Hans
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Hi Alan, Knew you would get it sorted. Stunning work. Claret Also working on:
SOTS.
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