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Good luck, its a horrid job  still not finished my tiles i do a bit once in a while because it is dull and slow. Tip. I have found it best to work from the waterline to the keel. having tried both approaches J  “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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Thanks Steve and Peter.
Jase, I did think it might look better that way. What do you mean when you say you tried both approaches? On the Victory?
Anything else to consider doing it that way? Any pics of the bows?
John
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Hi all So back in the fray again at last after a 7 week layoff. Decided to change the adhesive to this and it's much better (should have listened to Darron in the first place - hereI must say it's makes life easier to work and you can lay more at a time. Here's the latest after cleaning (see below), a few repairs but should be OK. This is a lot harder to get right than I thought it would be.  To answer Glen, I wait for the tiles to fully dry and then use white spirit, it works a treat. You can rub quite hard and the tiles don't lift. Will press on now but as far as the build proper is concerned it's all on hold really. Will try to work on the mast though if I can. John
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Hi John, Thank you for replying,could you tell me what glue you are using? I have tried to rub the adhesive off with white spirit but it won't touch it, try a scouring pad next. I know we have about 4500 tiles, but doe's anyone know how many we have to mess around with before things get tight. Glen  Roger the Cabin Boy
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It was in the first link from up the page - Click here for the glue link.  Don't use a scourer though, you will take the shine off the tiles. John
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All is looking neat with the tiles, a quick question, do you find having a copper undercoat an advantage to lay the tiles on?
A breif answer to Glens question about how many tiles to play with?, I have at least 300 left over and I tiled right up to the lower whales and that is not counting the numerous ones that ended up being doubled together as I was gluing them on, you will be surprised at how easy it is to glue two tiles together without at first noticing!!
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Thanks Steve, nowhere near as good as I would like though. I wasn't intending to paint the hull believing that the tiles would take better to bare wood plus sanding sealer. But after I tiled the keel and left a couple of gaps I then had to fill in with paint so I decided to paint first. Must say I haven't noticed any difference in laying if not a little better. Quote:...you will be surprised at how easy it is to glue two tiles together without at first noticing!! It's even odder when one falls off and when you look for the gap, there isn't one. John
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So, it’s been a while mainly because not much has happened but I thought it might be good to get up to date now. I am still working on the copper tiling but also decided to start the masts in parallel to break the monotony. Didn’t quite work like that though as once I got going that then took over. Still, have now completed the main mast & yard and ready to continue with the fore mast. Spotting the mistake here should be easy. I hope it won’t affect anything later on. If it does can someone let me know please?  I really do love the way this build slowly comes together and I am still at the early stages.   And once again a big hat tip to Cerri (CMB) for this idea to reuse my original dry dock before the planking rendered it obsolete.  Most of the main tiling is complete with just some repairs and clean up to do along with the rudder.  I am wondering now if it was a mistake painting the hull before tiling. I did this to colour up the light wood in case it showed through but I am disappointed at how badly the adhesive takes. I seems very inconsistent so perhaps I should have glued straight onto the untreated planks. Any thought?     I followed the instruction by first putting a ring of tiles around the water line but have decided I don’t like it now and would prefer the tiles to come straight down. However I am unsure if I can get a nice straight edge and the thought of it looking ragged would spoil the look completely. Will have to suck it and see I guess. I have noticed a few people have tiled straight down to the water line so any tips at this stage would be invaluable, thanks.   So finally here’s something I love doing; putting it all together so far. Really looking good even with my meagre efforts.   Just to finish and say how inspired I get seeing the work of the others on here which gives me the confidence to occasionally move away from the official build and try out other things. John
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Hi John, Great job with the copper tiles,I do not think it was a mistake painting the hull before tiling as I sprayed mine first and so far all has stayed on,time will tell ? With your build John I think your tilling look's superb and can only add grace to your build. Regards Trev. Work in progress: Tombstone (Scratch) - San Francisco 2. -The Mayflower ( scratch by plan).
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One more thing, I wasn't over pleased about using the copper wire for the rope walk partly because mine turned out rubbish. I can understand why it was used to keep the rope stiff but I remember that a hangman's noose might look the part so I bought some thick brown thread and tried it outt. I think it works OK and so I will replace them next time I get going again. John  
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Oh and there was one other thing I forgot to ask.
On the mizzen mast the octagon at the bottom is 5.5mm. Now this presumably fits into the fighting top which is nearly 7mm on the plans and the maximum diameter of the mast is only 6mm.
Have I done something wrong here? I know there will be a pin to hold it in position and stop it falling through but the Main and fore mast fitted snugly. I fear though, it may be too late to correct it.
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tf64 wrote:Hi John,
Great job with the copper tiles,I do not think it was a mistake painting the hull before tiling as I sprayed mine first and so far all has stayed on,time will tell ? With your build John I think your tilling look's superb and can only add grace to your build.
Regards Trev.
Thanks Trev Maybe I should have made a key then. Some stay on absolutely fine others just seem to drop of. It's a bit inconsistent. Anyway, on the last steps now and will be following Walters lead on tiling the waterline. John
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One last update before I head back to the UK for a month, so no action. Finished off one side of the yard where the crew hang on for dear life when unfurling the sails. As I mentioned before, I didn't like the copper wire so wound a hangman's noose around the yard with some thick thread. I'm quite pleased with he result. Also used a kebab stick to keep the loops intact until I am ready to thread the rope though. If any knows of of any problems I might be storing up then please let me know.     As always thanks for your help. John
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Looks good to me John and another way of making it your build too Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi John, tiling looks fab to me and I love the idea of the hangmans noose, so superior to the wire version..... .. Thanks for sharing... Regards Alan
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Many thanks for the encouragement guys.
John
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Hi John. Your build is looking very nice. Like the hangmans noose on your yard arms. keep up the good work Ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood.
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Many thanks Ian. They definitely get easier and better the more you do.
John
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Whilst I am back in the UK for a few weeks I thought I would buy a few bits and bobs. One thing that I could do with more off is the beige-slightly green, thread used for the blocks since my fat fingers need to use more than the allowance provided. Problem is my magazines are all in Greece with the model. Could some kind soul, especially Tom, let me know what size and type this thread is please. Even better if you know a UK suppliers of this. Surprisingly I can’t see any on the usual model sites where I would have thought all manner of ropes and rigging would be available. Also looking to buy a decent hand drill. I have seen a few available but again, any recommendations from here would be good. Many thanks. John  
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0try this one, http://www.cornwallmodel...ania-rigging-thread.htmlCurrent builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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