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Hi all, Just a small update, haven't been doing much recently due to work and current climatic extremes  Have completed the poop deck hammock netting.   Also repaired the damage to the "lead work" window framing on the skylight.   It will never be as good as it was originally but considering how fiddly it was to repair  , its not too bad. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Almost forgot, upon reading Robin's latest post regarding the knights heads and specifically the 3 eye bolts on the front of them, I went into panic mode, " Bu@&er !! why haven't I done those"  But on checking with the macro lens, it appears I did do them   As stated several times, a lot of this work was done 5 years ago or more, and I'd forgotten I had done it  I haven't fitted any tackle or blocks to them yet, but will have to remember to do that before I do the netting and boomkins in that area. Thanks for the timely reminder Robin  Regards to all Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Looks great Alan, netting is superb....  Regards Alan
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This build has lots and lots of very nice details. Fantastic work, Alan! Kind regards, Bernd
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Hi Sparks! Thats looking brilliant on the poop, I love that skylight, something else I've got to look forward to! Its actually a little cooler down here at the moment so I've been getting on with the second Knights head, forecast's not looking very good for the next week - hotter still and increasing humidity! Oh joy! Glad you had already done those ring bolts, trying to get in there to drill out in situ would have been a nightmare! Made up another six ring bolts tonight to fit on the bow bulkhead for the rigging to come. Talking of rigging, do you have any idea where the rigging from those Knights heads rings actually goes to? My McGowan book shows the block and tackle fitted on the rings but NOT where it ends up up on the bowsprit - very annoying!!  Fortunately I'm getting to avoid the poop deck netting, I'm going with the solid wooden barriers a la Jotika (snicker, snicker!)  Keep those pics coming M8 Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Lovely progress sparks!, looks great Processing - Progressing
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Thanks for those comments guys, much appreciated. Robin, I have many rigging diagrams and plans ( as you probably have too) and none of them show that in much detail, I even have a large 1/8th scale drawing from HM Dockyard Portsmouth titled "Standing and Running Rigging (as fitted) Checked October 1966" that shows the attachments to the knight heads, but there is so much going on on the bowsprit its hard to follow where they go Fortunately, from other sources, I can tell you that the attachments are as follows: Port knights head from bottom up - inner martingale, fore topmast preventer stay, and fore topgallant stay. Starboard knights head from bottom up (not 100% on the bottom to top on this side, just an educated guess) - outer martingale, Fore topmast stay, and flying martingale. I do have written descriptions of the routes they take, size of rope or cable and blocks etc that I can pass on to you when required at rigging stage. Hope that is of help. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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fantastic work, alan! Best regards,
Reiner
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Thanks Reiner, Your words are much appreciated. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Thats a really great help Alan, many thanks for that! I've got both the McKay and the McGowan books and, like you say, the diagrams are either too small or (mainly in the larger McGowan book) there is so much going on that it's too easy to loose track of the individual rope that you're trying to follow along its route. You'd think that with the Victory being probably the most popular large wooden ship model being built that somebody would have brought out a dedicated 'How to rig your model Victory' book by now! (And I don't mean some £50+ thing either!) Just an Anatomy of the Ship sized thing with say 50 pages full of diagrams and plans, but in layers with a schedule to follow to avoid 'entanglements' as far as possible. The best rigging plan I had was for the Constructo 'Grimsby', every rope numbered on the plan with its tie off or belaying pin end numbered along with it. I tried looking on the web to see if they sold their plans separately but no joy so far (actually looking at photos of the Constructo Victory, those knightsheads rigging aren't included on the kit!) The Jotika downloads are a great help but as far as I know their actual A-Z rigging plans are only available with their huge kit - which is fair enough I suppose Any way, many thanks again for that and I would appreciate that other info (probably in a couple of years or so at this rate!) Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Plymouth57 wrote:
Any way, many thanks again for that and I would appreciate that other info (probably in a couple of years or so at this rate!)
Robin No problem Robin, I'll still be here So much to do before I even think about rigging Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi all. Another small update. I have just completed an enhancement to the skid beams to give them a more accurate look. I used some strips of the better quality hard wood strakes I bought for the second planking, they are 1mm thick by 4.5mm wide. I cut it into lengths that were 3/4 the total length of the skid beams and chamfered one end of each one before gluing them to the sides of the skid beams.  Once all six were done I used my mini belt sander to smooth down the top edges.  Then re-coated with flat black paint.  I can now make a start on the waist area hammock cranes and netting. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Another small progress report. I have started the hammock cranes and netting on the quarter deck waist area. As I am a "only scratch build when you really have to"sort of guy, I am using the cranes from the Heller kit. The first stage was to use the drawings plans and photos I have to mark the positions of the cranes along the wooden deck edging rail with a pencil. Once happy with the positions, I used a small flat edged file to scape away the paint to expose the wood beneath so as to get a good fixing with the glue. Then the cranes were fixed into place.  I then fitted lengths of small brass rod to make the cross braces on the end cranes as I had done previously with the poop deck cranes.  I also fitted a single rod level with the the inboard side of the cranes for the hand rail gate support. To make a strong fixing, I drilled a small hole into the wooden base board and glued the rod into it.   Once both side were done, everything was painted or touched up with matt black paint. England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Next I did the netting using net curtaining as before. The first thing was to make a paper template of the size from the fitted cranes, then draw that shape onto some coloured paper, (white paper would probably do but the netting would be harder to see. The netting was then positioned over the marked lines and a smaller piece cut off to work with.  My netting has the correct size (about 1mm squares at my 1/100 scale)pattern on it but is in a "square" format as apposed to "triangular", which means I have to turn it, and that means more waste material, I think I have enough to finish all the netting on the ship if I don't make too many mistakes Next I threaded some small white rigging cord through the netting following the lines beneath, weaving in and out of the squares.  The ends of the thread are then pulled tight and clamped at each end, I used my keel clamp for this (thanks Jase for reminding me I had one  ), when I did the poop deck set, I struggled with mini clamps fixed into vices  Whilst held in the clamps I ran a small bead of glue along the threads using the point of a cocktail stick. Once the glue has dried, you can trim along the outside edges without it fraying.  This is repeated four times to make the set of nets for this section. The netting pieces are then fixed to the inside edges of the hammock cranes working from inboard to outboard sides.   This section has a hand rail running along the inboard side, I did think about using some small wooden strips that I have, but it is so fragile at that size it would most likely be damaged well before I finish the ship, so decided to use Evergreen styrene strips, which I have plenty of, or so I thought ! All the strips I have were either too big or too small to look right for scale, so I am waiting delivery of some 1mm X 0.5mm strips. While I'm waiting I will start on the forecastle cranes. More to follow soon. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi Sparks. Beautiful looking nets there and I love that threading the' er, thread! through the mesh before cutting it to size. My own nylon netting is the slightly less 'proper' chicken wire shaped mesh and my procedure is slightly different because of that I must admit that curtain net definately does the job well! (And a very nice macro setting on your camera too! ) Keep 'em coming! Robin PS Just finished my poop deck barricade netting, posting up after tea! First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Thanks Robin, Regarding the macro, I've been using my new Nikon DSLR over the last few weeks and went to the Nikon training school in London last weekend. you can't beat a nice bit of bokeh regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Super job on the netting Alan and some very useful tips.... Looking fab.... .. Regards Alan
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Thanks Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi all, The 1mm X 0.5mm Evergreen strip arrived so I set about fitting the barrier along the waist area hammock cranes.  The additional support brackets on the centre and end cranes were made from small brass strip.  At the stern end it forms a barrier across the entry steps. I assume that this part is removable on the real ship to allow access, but for my purpose its in the closed position.  I was a bit puzzled as to where the forward end attached as it did not line up with anything. But I have found several side elevation drawings that seem to show that it does actually finish without any support.  So that's how I have finished mine.  England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Stunning attention to detail Sparks, love following your project.... Regards Alan
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