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Did a dry fit of the quarterdeck but everything look out of line, meaning the mast hole and the hatchways...  .. Started to do some checking and drew the line down the centre of the quarterdeck and low and behold found everything was about 2mm out to starboard...  .. a badly made piece than now needs some work to rectify the problem.... Here are the pics detailing the problem.. Will now have a think about how to rectify the problem but know it cannot remain as it is so moving the mast hole and hatchways is the only answer I can think of.... .. Any further ideas would be most welcome.... To those following on behind double check to make sure everything is central on these decks....  Happy building all Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Ah Alan! what a rotten trick! Am I right in thinking that there are no actual plans of the SOTS and that all the kits of her are 'sort of' based on her overall look? If so I think you could get away with just enlarging the mast hole to move it over, I would suppose there is a sealing disk at the bottom of the mast like the Victory has which would cover up the 'oval' shape of the hole, and simply add a 2mm strip to the 'wrong' side of the hatches to make them line up with the other sides. 2mm less hatch width wouldn't be anything to worry about visually and far easier to add a strip to one side than to widen the other side to match! Best of Luck with it M8 Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Plymouth57 wrote:Ah Alan! what a rotten trick! Am I right in thinking that there are no actual plans of the SOTS and that all the kits of her are 'sort of' based on her overall look?
If so I think you could get away with just enlarging the mast hole to move it over, I would suppose there is a sealing disk at the bottom of the mast like the Victory has which would cover up the 'oval' shape of the hole, and simply add a 2mm strip to the 'wrong' side of the hatches to make them line up with the other sides. 2mm less hatch width wouldn't be anything to worry about visually and far easier to add a strip to one side than to widen the other side to match!
Best of Luck with it M8
Robin Thanks for the assist Robin, I am not really seeing as I big problem more of an annoyance considering parts a lazer cut for accuracy.....  .. Mast hole will need to be moved 1mm to starboard and hatches up to 2mm... .. After the deck is planked then all mods will at least be hidden... And you are correct, there are no definitive plans so have a little free reign here so as long as everything lines up in the end and looks good to the eye then I'll be happy again.... will start the mods to the quarterdeck tomorrow and post progress.. .. Just goes to show it pays to check everything.... Thanks again and regards Alan
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Hi Alan The deck planking looks fantastic!  Know you will find a good solution for us to follow with the hatching and the out of place hole!  Regards Kobus
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Hi Alan If I were you I would get in touch with C/S to get a replacement as its a faulty part, the other way to do it is to do as Robin sugests, I presume the decks will be planked and therfore hide any mods made regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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arpurchase wrote: Hi Alan If I were you I would get in touch with C/S to get a replacement as its a faulty part, the other way to do it is to do as Robin sugests, I presume the decks will be planked and therfore hide any mods made regards Andy Thanks Andy, always great to get your advice... I did consider getting in touch with C/S but we could be looking at 4 weeks for the replacement so think I will just hold off on that option for a little while yet... .. As the deck is to be planked it will hide any mods I make and in this instance I believe it can be rectified without too much problem, a hinderance and annoyance more than anything... .. If that fails tomorrow then will get in touch with C/S on Monday for a replacement issue.... .. Thanks again... Regards Alan
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KobusBeukes wrote:Hi Alan The deck planking looks fantastic! Know you will find a good solution for us to follow with the hatching and the out of place hole! Regards Thanks for those kind words Kobus, appreciate you looking in once again... .. As for the solution, will post tomorrow how I get on whether it works out or not..... am confident it can be fixed.... Regards Alan
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Just goes to show the calibre of members we have on this forum... It looks as if I don't have to do any modifications to put the quarterdeck right as I now have replacement parts being sent to me by a member who doesn't need them.... A huge thank you to the member concerned, this forum and the members within are the best.... Regards Alan
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I am to feel glad to be behind the build as of the rest of the world. I have emphathy for you wanting a perfect look and to recieve junk for good money spent. Overall I over your skills. I thought of byuing the ply and cut it yourself. We need to make an official complaint about the bad products we recieve from the suppliers. Marcel "Rather try and fail than had failed to try".Sovereign of the Seas Model Space forum: Marcel's build
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Marcel wrote:I am to feel glad to be behind the build as of the rest of the world. I have emphathy for you wanting a perfect look and to recieve junk for good money spent. Overall I over your skills. I thought of byuing the ply and cut it yourself. We need to make an official complaint about the bad products we recieve from the suppliers. Marcel I think your term 'junk' is a bit strong, yes you should get faulty parts replaced quickly but the. Vast majority of parts are supplied as intended and generally the quality of parts in the DeAg part works is very high. Manufacturing slip ups happen it's a fact of life. If every set being supplied was incorrect you may have a point about the complaint, but this is just a genuine mistake. Jase “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
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jase wrote:Marcel wrote:I am to feel glad to be behind the build as of the rest of the world. I have emphathy for you wanting a perfect look and to recieve junk for good money spent. Overall I over your skills. I thought of byuing the ply and cut it yourself. We need to make an official complaint about the bad products we recieve from the suppliers. Marcel I think your term 'junk' is a bit strong, yes you should get faulty parts replaced quickly but the. Vast majority of parts are supplied as intended and generally the quality of parts in the DeAg part works is very high. Manufacturing slip ups happen it's a fact of life. If every set being supplied was incorrect you may have a point about the complaint, but this is just a genuine mistake. Jase Hi Marcel, I can see where you are coming from but in all honesty I couldn't class the items received on this build as junk, far from it. So far I have been impressed by the quality of the goods and yes, just like all other kits there will be some parts that have some faults with them but for me this only adds to the challenge of building, where if something is not right then put the thinking cap on to see if it can be put right.. On the occassions I have had to contact C/S here I have found them to be very helpful even if it takes 4 weeks for replacement parts to arrive... The fault on the part here is I feel is not serious and can be fixed.... Thanks again for looking in, appreciate your comments as always... Regards Alan
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Hi Alan, Watching with interest and glad you pointed out the error you encountered. Although I am a stretch behind (still boxwood planking  ), I pulled the part from my stash and checked it. My part is not as far out as yours, the hatches are spot on and the mast hole out by 1mm. The thing that worries me is that I didn`t check the first deck with the mast hole in it, so it could have been that when I had fitted all the decks I may not have been able to get the mast upright, or worse still not get it in at all. I can see I`m going to have to check the mast for plumb as each deck is fitted and adjust if required. Many thanks for the heads up on this one, it`s made me think a bit more, rather than take it for granted that everything is spot on. Keep up the good work. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) COME BACK GUY FAWKES "YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU"
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Great work Alan, up there at the 'sharp end' of the build, it's really useful to have an early warning about these potential hiccups and lots of ideas about solutions should we encounter any of these little problems. I have to agree with Jase and Yourself, the quality of parts has been very good and certainly as good, if not better, than other wooden kits I have built. Plus of course DeAg will replace anything, without a quibble.
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Hi Alan, Sorry to hear of the 'problem', but I am confident you will over come it. I am amazed at the quality of the parts overall, and it throughs you when you hit a snag like this. The builds is looking as stunning as ever. Regards Claret Also working on:
SOTS.
Moebius 1/32 Flying Sub with PE & lights.
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Hi Alan, well spotted, I will check my parts tomorrow. Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Just checked mine and it's spot on, so it looks like it isn't a general problem. Thanks for the heads up though 
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delboy271155 wrote:Hi Alan, Watching with interest and glad you pointed out the error you encountered. Although I am a stretch behind (still boxwood planking ), I pulled the part from my stash and checked it. My part is not as far out as yours, the hatches are spot on and the mast hole out by 1mm. The thing that worries me is that I didn`t check the first deck with the mast hole in it, so it could have been that when I had fitted all the decks I may not have been able to get the mast upright, or worse still not get it in at all. I can see I`m going to have to check the mast for plumb as each deck is fitted and adjust if required. Many thanks for the heads up on this one, it`s made me think a bit more, rather than take it for granted that everything is spot on. Keep up the good work. Regards delboy271155 (Derek) Thanks Derek and I think you are right, best not to take anything for granted that everything is spot on, far better to check now than to find its an even bigger problem later on.... .. Regards Alan
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court orchard wrote:Great work Alan, up there at the 'sharp end' of the build, it's really useful to have an early warning about these potential hiccups and lots of ideas about solutions should we encounter any of these little problems.
I have to agree with Jase and Yourself, the quality of parts has been very good and certainly as good, if not better, than other wooden kits I have built. Plus of course DeAg will replace anything, without a quibble. Thanks Andy, appreciate you looking in and happy to hear your parts don't suffer the same problem as mine, think I just got a little unlucky here but problem is now resolved due to a kind benefactor on this forum.... Great to see you back with us again.... Regards Alan
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claret wrote:Hi Alan,
Sorry to hear of the 'problem', but I am confident you will over come it.
I am amazed at the quality of the parts overall, and it throughs you when you hit a snag like this.
The builds is looking as stunning as ever.
Regards
Claret Thanks Claret, happy to say its not a problem any more.... Regards Alan
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MWG wrote:Hi Alan, well spotted, I will check my parts tomorrow. Kind regards Mike Thanks Mike, better to be safe than sorry.. hope yours are ok.... Regards Alan
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