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Sorry to trouble but was wondering if anyone could advise the best wood stain to match the sapele colour. I purchased all of the new admiralty stains and thought the oak would be close enough but sadly not. Been looking on the net and there appears to be nothing available as sapele wood stain so I guess it's closest match. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated as I have just managed to "mess up" my beak platform using the oak stain. Kind regards Tony Happy Modelling
BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower
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Hi Tony, Sapele is most similar to Mahogany.
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hi tony, yep sapele is indeed like mahogany,b & q stock mahogany stain. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Though be careful, there are red and brown mahagany finishes available..
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 And some of the reds can be a bit bright so always do a test piece  Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Karl, Andy, Mr T Many thanks for the advice - as ever it's much appreciated. All is not lost as I had to get a replacement issue 40 due to the bow spit being damaged (big chunk missing). Sadly the replacement saw the bow spit snapped in half. Cannot ask for a third replacement but at least have the beak frame to re-make. I'll have a look at some of the mahogany stains. The admiralty one I discounted as not being a very close match so will have a look at the DIY shop versions. Many thanks again for the help and advice. On leave this week so have been trying to get on with my build. Still a few hull light colour planks to go but felt like a break from that today. Tony Happy Modelling
BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower
SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette)
COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
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 Hi Tony I used Citadel flesh wash code 61-76 its a good match hope this helps rgd Martyn Building ?
Completed. Soliei Royal . Sovereign of the Seas . Virginia . Scotland . San Felipe . Corel vasa , Santisima Trinadad X section , Vasa
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Hi Tony, the problem you are facing in trying to get a good match on the stain is the same problem I faced and the reason I decided to use Sapele strips to plank the beak framing... ended up with not a good match but an exact one.... Hope this helps.. Regards Alan
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Martin/Alan Many thanks for the additional info. You have me thinking now Alan and I think I will have a go at planking on my "messed up" part to see what I can achieve. I have ordered a brown and red mahogany stain from eBay so can always use one of these as a fall back option. Many thanks again for everyone's comments -it's been very helpful Kind regards Tony Happy Modelling
BUILDING: Hachette Spitfire Mk 1A, Constructo Mayflower
SUBSCRIPTION COMPLETE (Awaiting building): USS Constitution, Sovereign of the Seas, 1:200 Bismarck (Hachette)
COMPLETED: Porsche 911, E-Type Jaguar, Lam Countach
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birdaj2 wrote:Martin/Alan
Many thanks for the additional info.
You have me thinking now Alan and I think I will have a go at planking on my "messed up" part to see what I can achieve.
I have ordered a brown and red mahogany stain from eBay so can always use one of these as a fall back option.
Many thanks again for everyone's comments -it's been very helpful
Kind regards
Tony Hi Tony, happy to be of help... My build diary shows how I did this and the finished results... Hope it helps.. Regards Alan
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I too have been wondering how to treat the sapele strips. I’m in the middle of stage 35, getting ready to cut out the gunports and thinking about what comes next. The problem is that I’ve already decided to follow the colour scheme on the Boston Museum of Fine Arts draft of the Soveraigne, attrib. Peter Pett, ca. 1637, well illustrated in Hendrik Busmann, Sovereign of the Seas: Die Skulpturen des Britischen Koenigschiffes von 1637 (2002), p35 and end paper. This shows the ‘sapele’ area of the hull as a sort of darkened honey colour. What am I to do about that? I guess there’s no future in thinking about stain. The only option I can think of is to start from scratch, and cover the sapele with Dulux primer and go on from there. Has anyone a better idea? Grateful for any suggestions.
cec
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Hi there
The best stain that I have found is a blend of two Liberon Palette Wood Dye Colours. I use a 1:1 blend of Victorian Mahogany and Teak. This seems to have just the right amount of redness.
I have found application a little tricky. I always apply stain to the wood , with a cloth or pad, before any cutting and gluing and, being a water based wood dye, I apply a matt varnish to seal the colour in before any other operations. If any glue gets into the grain before staining you have had it. Even washing off the glue will leave residue that shows up as a lighter patch when stained.
I would also recommend spraying the varnish rather than brushing as the stain will mix into the varnish with brushing and can become patchy.
Of course you can't duplicate the Sapele grain but this colour is pretty good.
Regards, Frazer
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Joined: 19/03/2010 Posts: 602 Points: 1,679 Location: Lincs
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Is Tomick allowed to say which brand of stain he is using? You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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'Ronseal quick drying woodstain' - satin teak 250ml
It has a burnt orange tint to it, its not perfect but is closest I have found without having to mix colours as has been mentioned.
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Thanks Tomick - I will be comparing this to what I already have. Cheers Mate Riff-Raff You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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