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Up next was the beak head netting. There are a couple of schools of thought here as to how it was supported, on ropes or on iron rods. I wasn't about at the time of Trafalgar (I'm not that old ), so can't really say how it was then, but the photos below show that iron rail is used nowadays. After checking out several photos I made some measurements and fitted the small 1mm photo etch eyebolts into the beak rail, one adjacent to the round houses coming out on a horizontal plane. Another in the foreword end of the beak rail was fixed in and the "eye" bent up to a vertical plane. A small hole was then drilled into the base of the beak rail to take the vertical support rod. I then cut and shaped some 0.5mm brass micro tubing. After careful measurement, I soldered the support rail onto the main bar and after a bit of cleaning up test fitted. The rods are fitted by first inserting the straight end into the foreword eyebolt. Then lowering and locating the bent end into the eyebolt adjacent to the round house. With a slight lift in the centre the support rod can be located into the hole made earlier. Once I was happy with the fit, the assembly was painted matt black. The beauty of this method is, that if needed, the whole assembly can be removed for access behind it. England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Then onto the nets themselves. I made these from the same net curtain material, and in the same way, as the hammock netting but this time only one length of small rigging cord was used to strengthen the top edge. Once the netting was ready I lashed them to the rods with small black rigging cord leaving the bottom edge free. Another test fit allowed me to shape and mark the netting to go around the privy seats and the rise of the grate flooring. I then cut the net to shape as seen below. The two sides were then re-fitted to give the final appearance, which I must say, I'm really pleased with. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Very nicely done Alan, well done indeed.... Regards Alan
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Just a small note regarding the rigging ropes described earlier in post #100. Before fitting these ropes, (as will all the rigging on the ship) were coated with bees wax and stretched for 48 Hrs using my patented (NOT) rope stretching machine. Just something I knocked up the other afternoon. One end is fixed and has holes drilled to put the ropes through and knot or tie off. The other end has razor saw cuts at an angle that the ropes can be pulled into, stretched and locked into place with a downward pull. By fitting a couple of dowel pegs in the bottom of the bar and drilling some locating holes along the base, it can be adjusted for shorter or longer lengths of rigging. The actual rigging ropes attached to the knights heads should ideally be rigged from the other end down to the tackles, but as it may prove difficult to get in there later I have done it the other way and will hopefully be able to rig them in reverse. I have left them long enough, marked and rolled them up into a bag and the cherubs are keeping hold of them until needed Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Excellent work Alan, its easy to forget the scale you are working to compared to my build, keep the pics coming. Steve
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Hi Alan. Fantastic work.look forward to seeing your progress ian Current builds.Hachettes build the bismark,HMS Victory, HMS Hood. Finished Builds Corel HMS Victory cross section.
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Hi Sparks! Very nicely done on those bow nettings! I went with the 'supported by ropes' approach because it never occurred to me that the supports might be anything else! Until you posted up those two pics of the actual ship I didn't have any photos that showed the supporting structure as anything but an indistinct black line! (I've nicked those two pics for my ref collection by the way! ) Checking in the McKay book (from which I took the plans but never read the picture indexes) I think your construction is actually the correct one, although the McKay plans are of the Portsmouth Victory, so we can't be 100% sure even now. But on page 84-85, the drawing definitely describes the support as being a "stanchion and rail" which suggests a solid framework as you put in. At least I got the stanchions in! I tried checking on the Jotika photos but they didn't have any netting on there at all! Very good work indeed, (and I'm now making notes of all your rigging details!! ) Robin First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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nice job,well done. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Top Job Kind regards Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Figure head looks spot on, I must have missed it. J “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Gandale wrote:Very nicely done Alan, well done indeed.... Regards Alan Thanks mate. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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stevie_o wrote:Excellent work Alan, its easy to forget the scale you are working to compared to my build, keep the pics coming. Steve Thanks Steve, It does strain the old eyes at times . Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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ian smith wrote:Hi Alan. Fantastic work.look forward to seeing your progress ian Thanks for your comments Ian. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Plymouth57 wrote:Hi Sparks! Very nicely done on those bow nettings! I went with the 'supported by ropes' approach because it never occurred to me that the supports might be anything else! Until you posted up those two pics of the actual ship I didn't have any photos that showed the supporting structure as anything but an indistinct black line! (I've nicked those two pics for my ref collection by the way! ) Checking in the McKay book (from which I took the plans but never read the picture indexes) I think your construction is actually the correct one, although the McKay plans are of the Portsmouth Victory, so we can't be 100% sure even now. But on page 84-85, the drawing definitely describes the support as being a "stanchion and rail" which suggests a solid framework as you put in. At least I got the stanchions in! I tried checking on the Jotika photos but they didn't have any netting on there at all! Very good work indeed, (and I'm now making notes of all your rigging details!! ) Robin Thanks Robin, Feel free to make as many notes as you like. No guarantee that I'm 100% right though Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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karl1113 wrote:nice job,well done. Thanks Karl. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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MWG wrote:Top Job Kind regards Mike Thanks Mike. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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jase wrote:Figure head looks spot on, I must have missed it. J Thanks Jase, I did touch on the figure head in post #20 but as it was work done several years earlier I didn't go into much detail. Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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Hi all, Another little update. As I was working on the beak head area I decided to have a go at the bumkins or boomkins whatever you wish to call them. These are the small spars that are attached to the knight head posts and protrude out and at a downward angle through the beak head netting, and rest on the curved shape of the beak rail, I think they are tied down there as well. They are there to hold down and spread the the tack (lower angle) of the fore sail. Below is a photo of the starboard side of the real ship. Although round in profile and tapering toward the outer end like a spar, at the point they attach to the knight head posts they are octagonal in shape as seen below. So here is my attempt to make them. After getting some scale measurements which shows them to be about 3mm at the knight head end, tapering to about 1.75mm at the farthest point. I started with two pieces of 5mm square profile timber. I chose the square profile because I thought it might be easier to make the octagonal shape but as it turned out I had to file so much down I might have done as well with round profile, but anyway, I marked off some reference points and turned them in a drill chuck, while filing, to get the basic shape below. Some more thinning down with small files and sanding pads got me to the next stage. I then roughly calculated and filed the angle that they come away from the knight head posts and after some adjustments I was happy with the fit. I then drilled and fixed some small locating pegs made from filed down cocktail sticks that will locate into holes drilled in the sides of the knight head posts. A bit of final shaping to arrive at the finished items. Below are some shots of them temporarily fitted in place. Its not a perfect octagon but at this size it gives the impression of one. If you look at the first photo of the real ship, they seem to have a slight downward bow in them and I'm pondering whether I should soak them in water and leave them to dry with some weight on them to achieve this, or just leave well alone in case I do more harm than good and just paint them black and be done. Whatever I decide, I won't be permanently fitting them for a while until they are needed, as little pointy out things tend to get broken off Regards Alan England expects that every man will do his duty.
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ingenuity is a marvelous thing,and I doff my hat to you,these little things make all the difference to a model. well done m8. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Very nice addition with those "little mast things" I've not even noticed these on the de ag kit, will have to have to have a look through the official build to see Steve
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