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karl1113
#1 Posted : 25 June 2010 11:49:47

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have we any mathematicians on board? what doe's 1/84th. mean?I have tried to calculate numerous equations and can't figure it out,what parameters how they using?is it 1" - 84"? a similar discussion was had in an other string.
calculations on a hull plank came up with approx. 3" for a 30' length.that doe's not compute,that would make victory 21" long. don't think so,i've worked it out at 5mm.- 1'0" so where's the 1/84th. come in? at my scale (5mm.-1'0") a plank needs to be 150mm. which comes out at 6" much better scale.the old admiralty plans were drawn at 1/4" to the foot,which works out at 1/75th,? so how is it calculated.?????
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#2 Posted : 25 June 2010 12:27:54

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Hi Karl

1/84 scale means that everything on the model is 84 times smaller than on the real thing.

Also remember that 1 inch is 2.54 cm or 254 mm

Therefore: 10ft on the real ship becomes 10 x 254 = 2540 mm.

To scale that down for the model divide by 84 and you get 30.24 mm

So roughly speaking 10ft on victory is approximately 3cm on the model.

When I check out my model launch 34ft is 10.2 cm (3 x 34 /10). I get that dimension as the internal length of the launch.

Which raises the question of what a 34' launch actually means? I was assuming that it was the overall length for stowage on the ship but it looks like it could be the longest internal length for stowage in the launch. mmm this needs more research!

Hope the above helps with calculations

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#3 Posted : 25 June 2010 14:49:23

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The launch scales in at 1/90, as to my dismay, I scaled the oar slots using McKay`s book, he has a 1/192 scale drawing of the launch so X multiplied by 192 divided by 84 = my oar slots. NOT. My launch is 114 mm long, this scales in at about 31ft 4 ins (1/90 ish), pity I didn't check before I started up the chain saw.

So like stedders I too have made a horrendous error of the greatest magnitude on the oar slots, lol stedders

But come to think of it when the carronade truck and wheels scaled in at 1/48 I should of checked first, silly me, but experience is growing

If your wondering why I bothered to scale the oar slots its because they are not all evenly placed and neither are the thwarts, and I cant find anything anywhere about a centre mast so my build isn't having one, just my choice.


Whilst I don`t want to get into anything silly mike I must point out your error in scaling.
When you say
(Therefore: 10ft on the real ship becomes 10 x 254 = 2540 mm.)
This is wrong the equation should read 10 x 12 x 25.4, its 25.4mm to the inch not the foot, No disrespect intended mike
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You're quite right, who ever heard of 12" in a foot how ridiculous!

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Whilst my brain tends to recoil at the very thought of complex equations and mathematical formulae, I just take it that 1/84 equates to 1 foot of model size to every 84 'real' feet in length.

Thus a figure representing an adult male (let's just ignore the fact that the average male of the period rarely exceeded 5' 'something' and assume that everyone was 6' tall) should come out at... *engages little-used brain cells, takes deep breath* ...around 20mm tall.

84 divided by 6 = 14 (which would relate to 14 miniature crewmen lying in a row, head to toe to make one foot of 'real' measurement.

303mm equals 12"

Thus

303mm divided by 14 equals 21.6mm (being the height of a 6ft male turned into 1/84th scale) - which, ladies and gents sounds about right and should be (within minor deviations) the hieght of the supplied mini's).


*goes for a lie-down and a cold compress*


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So like stedders I too have made a horrendous error of the greatest magnitude on the oar slots, lol stedders


Does my 'fastest launch in the fleet' have competition (I could always file another set of oar slots you know... )

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Ok, i just but my professor head on and came up with this equation
10x12x2.54=304.8cm
therfore 304.8cm =10 feet
To scale this down divide 304.8 by 84 to give 3.628 rounded up to 3.63cm=10feet
Keeping up so farConfused
3.63 divided by 10 would give 1 foot
0.363cm=1 foot
the launch being 34' would read .363x34=12.342cm

Same equation in 1/90 scale
304.8/90=3.39cm-10'
3.39/10=.339-1'
.339x34=11.52cm

Measured my launch to be 11.42cm external
So after all that i agree with Willz that the launch scales in at 1/90Huh

(Puts normal head back on and goes for a lay down)
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you could always ditch the 10ft and replace it with 34ft i.e 34 x 12 x 25.4 / 84 = 125.7mm and our launch is only 114
so replace the 84 for 90 i.e 34 x 12 x 25.4 / 90 = 115.1

so replace the 90 for 90.9 and we have 114.006 i.e 34 x 12 x 25.4 / 90.9 = 114.006

so our launch is 1/90.9 scale to within 2 decimal points, lol
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Now go compare all that with the actual figures from official victory web site and see wot ya come up with.Wink
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kas wrote:
Now go compare all that with the actual figures from official victory web site and see wot ya come up with.Wink
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I think I'll pass on that if you don't mind.BigGrin
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#10 Posted : 26 June 2010 13:48:20

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BigGrin Good Morning Scale Modellers. I will just have to get my two penerth in! LOL

A Question of scale is a topic that has been going on for eons!

Lets use HO/OO !! H0 is derived from the fact that its 1:87 (1:87.086!) scale is approximately half that of 0 (zero) scale thats 3.5mm to the foot, OO is derived from the fact that its 1:76 (1:76.2) scale, again is approximately half that of 0 (zero) scale but comes in at 4mm to the foot.

Take two model trains put them on the track (by the way they run on the same track)and to the complete amateur they would not be able to tell the difference!

The same goes with this build, Do you really think anybody looking at your great build of the Victory will notice that the 34ft barge is a couple of mm out!! I dont think so, Blink I think they will be more amazed at the thought of how did you put all that rigging up, wow look at the boats, what the copper plating was put on one piece at a time!!!!

Come on Guys get real and just enjoy the build !!! BigGrin
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I expected a better turn out then this, by the way this is a wind-up.wanted a bit of a disscussion and a bit of in fighting, very tame ,disapointed slinks of to watch the footie,
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karl1113 wrote:
I expected a better turn out then this, by the way this is a wind-up.wanted a bit of a disscussion and a bit of in fighting, very tame ,disapointed slinks of to watch the footie,



Nice one KarlLOL LOL LOL
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#15 Posted : 28 June 2010 01:27:23

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karl1113 wrote:
I expected a better turn out then this, by the way this is a wind-up.wanted a bit of a disscussion and a bit of in fighting, very tame ,disapointed slinks of to watch the footie,


So I RACKED MY BRAIN for nothing! You're getting the pain killers bill!!!LOL
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#16 Posted : 28 June 2010 14:19:05

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Hi guys.
Regarding scale. Victory's anchor cable is 24" in circumference (from Anatomy of the Ship). What would that be in mm? I whant to make sure I get the correct twine(As near as dam it)from Cornwall model boats.
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That works out at 2.3 mm

(24x25.4/84)/(22/7) = 2.309 thats the diameter
24x25.4/84 = 7.25 thats the circumference
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Nice one wills.
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