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Hi Admin, sorry to add to your case load, what I was wondering, would it be possible for you to look into the issue of parts 15, 15a and 15b? some members are having issues with the whole of part 15, some say that only 15a and 15b are incorrect, as with mine only part 15b is looking odd (doesn't match up with ribs 16b and 14b) we all seem to be speculating as to it's not correct, but seeing as we dont have any plans or ships lines to go by, we can only guess as to this doesn't look right, if that makes sense. This could end up being a big headache for allot of people especially for some of our new friends who are very new to model ship building. We could come up with solutions to this problem ourselves, but as we cannot see into future issues as to what will be associated with this part, any alterations may effect the outcome of future parts and cause even more problems for ourselves, so would it be possible to talk to the manufacturer and experts to see if this part is incorrect and how we could go about rectifying it. With great thanks David Ship Builds on the go
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Lonestar Spirit wrote:Hi Admin, sorry to add to your case load, what I was wondering, would it be possible for you to look into the issue of parts 15, 15a and 15b? some members are having issues with the whole of part 15, some say that only 15a and 15b are incorrect, as with mine only part 15b is looking odd (doesn't match up with ribs 16b and 14b) we all seem to be speculating as to it's not correct, but seeing as we dont have any plans or ships lines to go by, we can only guess as to this doesn't look right, if that makes sense. This could end up being a big headache for allot of people especially for some of our new friends who are very new to model ship building. We could come up with solutions to this problem ourselves, but as we cannot see into future issues as to what will be associated with this part, any alterations may effect the outcome of future parts and cause even more problems for ourselves, so would it be possible to talk to the manufacturer and experts to see if this part is incorrect and how we could go about rectifying it.
With great thanks David Thanks David, I could not think of a way of approaching Admin about this matter, you have explained the point for me, personally I am pretty worried about all the parts that make up rib 15 and dare not carry out any remedial repairs in case the matter worsens...thanks again mate...  Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Your not the only one mate, I was trying to think about how to ask for ages, I guess time and age has caught up with me lol. Best wishes David Ship Builds on the go
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Hi there
Please leave this with me as I'll have to do a bit of investigating - but I'll get back to you asap!
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Lonestar Spirit wrote:Hi Admin, sorry to add to your case load, what I was wondering, would it be possible for you to look into the issue of parts 15, 15a and 15b? some members are having issues with the whole of part 15, some say that only 15a and 15b are incorrect, as with mine only part 15b is looking odd (doesn't match up with ribs 16b and 14b) we all seem to be speculating as to it's not correct, but seeing as we dont have any plans or ships lines to go by, we can only guess as to this doesn't look right, if that makes sense. This could end up being a big headache for allot of people especially for some of our new friends who are very new to model ship building. We could come up with solutions to this problem ourselves, but as we cannot see into future issues as to what will be associated with this part, any alterations may effect the outcome of future parts and cause even more problems for ourselves, so would it be possible to talk to the manufacturer and experts to see if this part is incorrect and how we could go about rectifying it.
With great thanks David Nice one David. I'v got well dodgy 15's
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admin wrote:Hi there
Please leave this with me as I'll have to do a bit of investigating - but I'll get back to you asap!
Thanks Admin Cheers Admin, much appreciated, I think the longer we stared at it the more we questioned it lol, if you need any pictures to show anyone, just chuck me a message. Best wishes David Ship Builds on the go
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Hi All
Regarding parts 15 - 15b, if the hull frames are adequately faired as described within issue 20, the hull planking should smoothly follow the line and curvature of the hull. When it comes too the planking of the inside of the bulwark, we intend to provide troubleshooting tips within the magazine to ensure the bulwarks are straight.
Hope this helps!
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Mine is going to need quite allot of fairing lol    What is going to go on top of the ribs, (The very top) will they be covered with plywood so you wont see them? Ship Builds on the go
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Mine is the same as yours David..I can get around the bottom section of rib 15 but the top is exactly like yours... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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And mine is exactly the same. Bit reluctant to start any planking (can't anyhow as those editions have not arrived) as i think this could get a lot more difficult to correct once more bits are added to the hull. Already seen one fix that involves cutting the offending part off and resetting it at the correct angle. If the magazine fix is going to be "take some heavey grade sandpaper and away you go" this may help get the external planks on ok but the inner part of the frame 15 at deck level will not com in far enough if that makles sense. Its going to be a great shame to pursue this build only to have to "cobble" it up near the end.
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i think i get what u mean.
its like when ur cutting out wood, you can take excess off but you cant add to it and the inside of the ribs at 15 are going to be to hort and things wont line up as smoothly as they should.
dont know if this will be visible or not but its going to be a pain in the backside.
a dremel with a sanding bit will make this alot easier though. JUST GO SLOWLY. lol
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nice comments and nice of you to bring this matter up loanstar,and if you dont mind i would like to put my thoughts to this on your thread...
surley if some have correct parts and some have incorrect parts this is going to effect the inner surface on the later build for those with fauly parts? if someone has the correct 15a and b parts perhaps they could trace these for us? and scan to a file? then we might be able to correct the parts by making a piece as admin seem reluctant to replace faulty manufactured parts. so far i have not started a single bit of the build and at the moment i dont plan on starting until we are well into the offical build log and others findings when building to see if these errors people are finding are going to be something the less experienced or like me total novice are going to be able to correct and end up with a model worthy of the £700 this is going to cost or are we are going to end up with more and more errors ,incorrectly made parts and additional costs for "extras" i do feel at the moment that deagi are putting thier heads in the sand a bit and thier quailty control is a bit on the shabby side with the errors found so far and only 22 issues into a 120 issue build. Is the kit this partwork based on better than what we are being offered on a weekly basis?
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My rib 15 is the same!!  And what with the cannons too I am not happy bunny!!! I am going no further with this build until I know how adjusting rib 15 is going to affect the hull inside and out and the deck that it supports!!!
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i have a simply comment.
it is your legal right to demand faulty parts be replaced or refunded.
it is the law of the united kingdom, of england, ireland and scotland, and most other parts of the world.
if deag refuse to replace ANY faulty part you can simply speak to a solicitor and sue them for malpractice.
see how they like that? im pretty sure 10 or more notification of legal action letters would scare the "£%$ out of them.
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Hi, its not just that deag should replace the faulty parts but as I have used the ribs and set the hull it may be that the build will show up serious errors later on (e.g. like the hull having a bulge in it). For a £700 build I would not be happy. I am a novice builder and without the help of this forum would not even know this was a problem until it was too late. As my partner is paying for the magazine subscription I am beginning to wonder if I am wasting her time. If the problems cannot be rectified and I stop the build will deag refund the entire cost so far?
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Tomic! are your parts 15a 15b etc like ours, if so, have you any ideas as to how we might correct this? Cheers and best wishes David Ship Builds on the go
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Hi All
We'd like to reassure you all that there is no cause for concern about the shape of frame 15. As we say in the magazine, it's important to fair the hull frames thoroughly, but you will have no problems, so long as the frames are thoroughly sanded to give a smooth run to the planks.
The model shown in the magazine has been built from exactly the same parts you have, and over the coming issues you'll see all the planking building up step by step to cover the entire hull. Watch out for our Expert Tips and troubleshooting hints to help you over any of the trickier points in the construction.
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Nice one admin. Thanks. Just one question. (poss for tomic this one) The decks fit beyond a lot of the ribs by a couple of mm. Do I sand the decks to match the ribs, or pack them out level with the deck slots?
Thanks again Bob
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Where any part of the deck exceeds the outer edge of the frames, the deck needs to be sanded back.
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