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I have a problem with the top deck. Where the actual cannons sit on each side of the open deck area. The gun ports seem too low. If a place a built cannon in to its final position the barrel of the cannon only just clears the top of the gun port. I have used the correct size materials for the supports etc so there is no reason for the deck to sit too high. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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It could be that the quoin (the wedge chock beneath the barrel of the canon) is too tall or may need re-positioning, how does it look with the barrel level rather than being positioned at a high angle?
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Level is how I am trying to sit them Tomick. The blocks are set so the cannons are level with the deck. I have removed the deck now. I built it as 4 separate units so that I could sand them better, and then glued each section on to the deck supports. I am trying to rebuild the top deck by removing the deck supports and using supports mounted level with the rib sections. This will give me 1mm back to play with. I can put the real visible supports back in so that when complete it will look the same as your build only the top deck should sit 1mm lower. I am also toying with the idea of rebuilding the deck with 1mm thick timber which will give me a total of 1.5mm back. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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i havnt got as far as you as i dont have that issue yet but i just checked my build and its the same,my cannons lie level and not pointing up and they are near the top of the gun ports..i have checked the measurments to where the bottom of the port should be and there correct cheers benny
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Right I have done one section of the deck in the open gun port area and the above solution seems to have given me the clearance I need. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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I thought I had made a big mistake, as my cannons don't seem to fit either, so I'm happy it's not just me (well not happy, I'm sure you know what I mean)I cant do the same as you Riff Raff, so where do we go now? (and my cannons are all level) Come on you Jimmies
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i suppose coz i am double planking i could raise the ports up by a couple of mil...would this cause me problems later?? cheers benny
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Benny we shouldnt have to alter the ports, they should be ok if we're following the book Come on you Jimmies
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saintsman123 wrote:Benny we shouldnt have to alter the ports, they should be ok if we're following the book i know and i wonder how many others are the same..theres already 3 of us and it was only mentioned 2 hours ago cheers benny
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Especially Riff Raff (no disrespect to you Benny) after seeing the cutaway on his build, he has the skills that I don't so I have to assume he would be spot on. Maybe the cannons are too big? Come on you Jimmies
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saintsman123 wrote:Especially Riff Raff (no disrespect to you Benny) after seeing the cutaway on his build, he has the skills that I don't so I have to assume he would be spot on. Maybe the cannons are too big? It's only my second build saintsman123 I have made mistakes but managed to solve them. Please don't assume that I am spot on, it maybe my error that has caused this problem with my build. Anyway. I have removed all the planks from the top section and the deck supports. I have glued scrap wood onto the sides of the ribs so that my new deck supports sit level with the top of the rib. 1mm lower but out of line. As I have built my deck in sections I can do this. Where you can see a deck support through the holes I will add a "dummy" deck support. I have also sanded the back of my deck sections by 0.5mm (especially towards the edges that meet the ribs (flat on top - tapered slightly on the bottom)). This has given me a 1.5mm drop in deck height and allows that cannons to sit more naturally in the centre of the gun port. Hopefully this will not affect anything that comes later. You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
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Golden Star, English Brig. RMS Titanic. (Academy 1/400 Centenary Anniversary Edition) Revell-Monogram 1/48 B-29 Superfortress 1:8 Baron von Richthofen's Fokker Tri-plane. HMS Victory. Nelsons Flag Ship. Sultan Arab Dhow. Artesania Latina Carmen II. The Battleship Yamato. Model Airways Wright Flyer 1:16 Scale. Trumpeter Bismarck 1/200. HMS Sovereign of the Seas. The Black Pearl.
Building:HMS Surprisel. Hatchette U96. Soleil Royal.
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Sorry to hear this problem came true!  At the start of planking the upper hull the lower deck gun ports would not be a problem, as the ports are cut parallel to the deck, shown in issue 23. The instruction for the middle gun deck didn't allow for the curve of the hull in the amidships area. The Quick Tip on page 12 issue 27 said to make a gauge from 70mm plank bend the top 25mm in a gentle curve, draw a line at 31mm and glue a scrap 35mm long to form a stop. Holding this jig against the hull then make a line for the bottom of the gun port. The problem is when you do this the hull at the bow & stern isn't as curved as the middle of the ship so your port are right at the bow & stern and lower in the middle of the ship. The problem gets worse on the upper gun deck, on page 11 issue 29 you are told to make a gauge 57mm to the stop block, if you use this jig against the hull to measure the bottom of the gun ports then you will have the middle ports between 2mm - 3mm lower than the bow & stern one's all down to the curve of the hull. It is only now that you fit the upper gun deck you will find the problem. That is why I framed the ports from the deck on the lower, middle and upper gun decks before planking, my cannon can fit in any port with the barrel in the centre. I only hope that this problem isn’t to great, I would hate to see all my Shipmates have the same problem all down to following the instructions to the letter.
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Ok I hope I can make myself clear here. I have measured the width of two cannons, one made with the big bit at the front (15mm) and one with the small bit at the front (13mm) Now the gunports are cut from the ribs, (as per Tomicks last pic in official build post issue 49) and are 12mm wide, so therefore a cannon cannot fit in the middle of a port,if any of the front wheels are touching a rib, and thats if you file the axle flush against the wheel, if you leave a little sticking out (Tomicks issue 18 cannon front wheel)then that will push it over even further, so all cannons have to be just poining out the ports and no more. I've had a look at other models on other sites and I can see guns sticking well out. So to sum up if the cannons are fully out, i.e. wheels up against the frame planking the cannons cannot be in the centre of the ports, so are the cannons too big? Come on you Jimmies
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riff-raff,
Its possible you may have a problem later on, I'll hazard a guess that the central waist area beams are supported by beam posts, which in effect will be 1.5mm short in height if the upper deck has been lowered by 1.5mm.
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saintsman123 wrote:Ok I hope I can make myself clear here.
I have measured the width of two cannons, one made with the big bit at the front (15mm)
and one with the small bit at the front (13mm)
Now the gunports are cut from the ribs, (as per Tomicks last pic in official build post issue 49) and are 12mm wide, so therefore a cannon cannot fit in the middle of a port,if any of the front wheels are touching a rib, and thats if you file the axle flush against the wheel, if you leave a little sticking out (Tomicks issue 18 cannon front wheel)then that will push it over even further, so all cannons have to be just poining out the ports and no more. I've had a look at other models on other sites and I can see guns sticking well out.
So to sum up if the cannons are fully out, i.e. wheels up against the frame planking the cannons cannot be in the centre of the ports, so are the cannons too big? When you get hold of issue 50 (where the guns are installed), you'll notice that the gun carriages are not up against the bulwark, but sat back from it by approx 5mm which leaves approx 5mm of gun barrel poking out of the port.
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Tomick wrote:Darron,
Its possible you may have a problem later on, I'll hazard a guess that the central waist area beams are supported by beam posts, which in effect will be 1.5mm short in height if the upper deck has been lowered by 1.5mm.
Hi Tomick!  I think your taking about riff-raff as I haven't changed my deck height, or any support.
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tomick is it ok to raise the ports to suit cheers benny
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I understand what you are saying Tomick, but if anyone wants to run the guns out a bit further they are in trouble, and you have not come up with any help as to why the guns don't fit when fitted as per RIff Raff's initial post especially when son of bulwark seemed to know this would happen Come on you Jimmies
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this isnt good enough it could totally wreck our builds..if darron knew why didnt the instructions tell us to do what darron has done cheers benny
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