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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/11/2018 Posts: 1,284 Points: 3,878 Location: Southeast UK
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Hello all,
Sorry, but I feel it's time to bring up this subject yet again (I've brought it up at least twice in the last 12 months!), and it is on the subject of the general apathy amongst the membership of this forum. We have just over 8660 members on here but only a very small number of people who bother to post any diaries or engage in any kind of interesting discussion.
Why?!
In the last 24hrs there have been 4 posts, two of which were about lack of deliveries and broken parts! Prior to that I posted on about 8 threads in an effort to get people engaging but as I say, virtually nothing. Our main man in Admin (Mark) instigated a competition recently from his own initiative and offering expensive prizes from his own stash but how many entrants did it get? About 15 as I remember? That is outrageously poor for a membership of over 8600 and Mark, you have my sympathies for the poor turnout and personally I'd like to thank you for at least trying to get people to engage.
I would have thought that with a lot of people being forced to stay at home over the last 12 months due to Covid restrictions, then that would give people the time to do a bit of modelling and from that taking more interest in the forum discussions but no, the way I see it, things have gone from bad to worse, to even more worse with many days where there is less than half a dozen active threads and on a regular basis.
What is going on? Where is everybody?
I have been looking at other forums with envious eyes recently, given the amount of engagement and active discussion that they get compared to ModelSpace and from there have also joined two of them JUST so that I have other modellers to talk to. I have said this in my last two efforts to get people engaging but as the old saying goes - "Use it or lose it!".
This is the last time I am going to have a moan about this. I fully intend to finish my MFH 1:12 Eagle Gurney Weslake F1 car build and I'm thinking that after that I'll make a concerted effort to get my 'Voyager' space probe completed (it's very nearly there) but then I'm going to decide whether it is worth my effort to keep posting diaries and engaging with active discussions on here, and if the same high level of apathy is apparent on this forum then I will cease being an active member and partake in discussion elsewhere!
Sorry about that but it had to be said!
Rant over!!
Kev Per Ardua Ad Astra
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Rank: Elite Groups: Unapproved
Joined: 24/05/2010 Posts: 1,761 Points: 5,351 Location: London & Greece
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TBH and I have said it before I know, but I get bored continually refreshing trying to get the member's picture to come. After a while I just give up.
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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I hear your frustration Kev, please don’t leave, the forum needs solid members like you. I think we should have a forum wide discussion to see what kind of things people would like to see. As for build diaries, mine will be starting shortly, I’ve just been waiting for parts and equipment to arrive but I’m almost in a position to start. In my opinion the forum needs a shake up, here’s my ideas to drum up interest. First more competitions and more frequently as competitiveness generates interest. Second there needs to be more new launches as these have ground to a halt. I remember when new kits were being released frequently. Third a clear out of inactive accounts, if they haven’t posted in three plus years I’m pretty sure they’re not coming back. Fourth create discussion topics about kits, tools etc. Fifth involve more people in the forum itself in some way. I let you know if I think of anything else
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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z8000783 wrote: TBH and I have said it before I know, but I get bored continually refreshing trying to get the member's picture to come. After a while I just give up.
Members picture?
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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Another idea....state in the rules that there is a minimum posting limit per week
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Rank: Elite Groups: Unapproved
Joined: 24/05/2010 Posts: 1,761 Points: 5,351 Location: London & Greece
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Yes, they are in the locked area for members with over 1000 posts, and very interesting too especially their wives.
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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I’m prepared to contribute in some way, I’m at home all day (retired)
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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z8000783 wrote: Yes, they are in the locked area for members with over 1000 posts, and very interesting too especially their wives.
Sorry John you’ve lost me there
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Rank: Elite Groups: Unapproved
Joined: 24/05/2010 Posts: 1,761 Points: 5,351 Location: London & Greece
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Your time will come . . .
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Rank: Super-Elite Groups: Official Builds, Administrators, Moderator, Global Forum Support, Registered Joined: 04/06/2011 Posts: 4,520 Points: 13,720 Location: ipswich
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I, and the other Admin I'm sure, totally agree. I try to chat on other peoples car/vehicle builds when I can. (I'm a car chap) However, I do also comment on the other builds at times.
I currently have 3 or 4 builds of my own on the go here. Comments? Hardly any. However, I don't let it put me off as I see how many views there are, which is actually more important.
We can post stuff and with any luck it's of interest to others and may even be of help. If there are few/no comments, then ok, it's disappointing but hey-ho - so what?
I agree though. With such a HUGE membership it's sad how few ever bother to post anything at all.
I suppose though that at the end of the day if there are a small(ish) number here who keep the forum moving, then all to the good.
Those who visit and post - keep doing it. You keep the forum alive. Those reading this who rarely/never post, please add something.
Roy.
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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z8000783 wrote: Your time will come . . .
Have I offended with anything I’ve said, no offence was intended, just trying to help
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Rank: Super-Elite Groups: Official Builds, Administrators, Moderator, Global Forum Support, Registered Joined: 04/06/2011 Posts: 4,520 Points: 13,720 Location: ipswich
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Silent_Running wrote:z8000783 wrote: Your time will come . . .
Have I offended with anything I’ve said, no offence was intended, just trying to help You've offended nobody. Please - keep posting.
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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roymattblack wrote:Silent_Running wrote:z8000783 wrote: Your time will come . . .
Have I offended with anything I’ve said, no offence was intended, just trying to help You've offended nobody. Please - keep posting. Phew! I’m glad about that, it’s a nasty habit of mine putting my foot in it
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Rank: Vice-Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 25/08/2012 Posts: 997 Points: 2,813 Location: Down in the vale of Bedfordshire
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Ok so here’s my look at the forum. Photos is the biggest issue for me, if I can’t see what people are talking about then I don’t bother with the diary’s reading isn’t my strong point so no photos not bothering and refreshing 10 times isn’t what I want to be doing. Silent_Running wrote:Another idea....state in the rules that there is a minimum posting limit per week If that was in the rules then I personally wouldn’t bother with the forum, it’s down to the individual how they interact with the forum. Personally I see that only a couple of people take interest in my builds, I think my F14 diary only got one or two people that made a comment which then makes me wonder why I bother. I’ve been looking around and have been ask to join other forums but how many do you join before that one becomes the same. This forum seams to lean more towards the partwork/model space models then the conventional kits, as I notices the plastic kits I build don’t get a lot of interest really. Winter isn’t the time for me to build as my workshop is a shed it gets very cold and as I suffer with issues down my left side as knee, hip and shoulder all injured in work accident I notice it when it’s cold so I end up doing my other hobby of cross stitch mostly. The comp was a nice idea, but it was only open to people’s diaries that had been singled out by admin as builds of the month so not everyone had a chance of winning but you want everyone to vote does that seam fair. That’s like saying here’s a raffle all by tickets but only the people that have a 1 on the ticket could win. The other issue is the way this forum is laid out it becomes confusing where to post a diary. I don’t want to upset anyone, and admin’s do a great job with what they have to work with but this forum need a complete rebuild from top to bottom. But it’s like this on a lot of forums. My Favourite Building:- 1919 https://forum.model-spac...=339517&#post339517 -
Current Build - 0-6-0 https://forum.deagostini...=351803&#post351803 Enterprise D - https://forum.deagostini...=posts&t=35768&
Built:-. HMS Bounty, RMS Titanic, MP4-23, Flying Scotsman, Aston Martin DB5, Honda CB750, Mustang, R2-D2, Jaguar, DeLorean, Testarossa, Stage Coach plus many plastic kits. Dry dock no room to display:-. Bismarck, U96. To build:-. HMS Hood. HMS Victory. Cutty Sark. SoS, Lancaster bomber. DR1 Triplane. JU-87. Plus many many plastic kits.
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Rank: Superelite Groups: Registered
Joined: 10/05/2010 Posts: 2,608 Points: 7,519 Location: Lincolnshire
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Hi Kev, Please don't leave! I know how you feel though, but as long as i can remember it has always been like this. When the big selling kits were new (like the Victory-191 build diaries!) there was more buzz and excitement about the forum, but these days? Competitions are a good idea, but if people aren't even willing to enter, they sadly will not get repeated. I know from my short time on the FST just how hard it was to drum up interest. Like you say, if members won't contribute more, we will loose this platform. It's ok blaming the lack of posts on poor image reproduction (and i wish someone would do a tutorial for we Ludites who don't know how to create the seemlessly loading diaries like your Eagle build!!!), but people ARE viewing the post - but like Roy said, just not commenting. As already mentioned, people will only comment on posts that are of interest to them. Just my 4 penneth worth.
Regards Gray
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Rank: Vice-Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 05/03/2017 Posts: 531 Points: 1,710 Location: Midlands, UK
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My issues with posting and the forum in general is pretty similar to others. Getting pictures to load is hard work and after refreshing multiple times I like many others get fed up, give up and leave the post, unable to physically see someone's hard work and beautiful models leaves commenting impossible. Also the ability to upload photos from a mobile device is impossible, I have no idea how to resize a photo on my phone to be under the file size limit required, otherwise it ends up as a download, and everybody gets fed up with them too and the admin also not keen on them uploading like that eirher. I dont own a computer so that is not an option for me to do anything with. Which in turn means I also can't really create a diary of my builds. Other forums are much more user friendly, especially on mobile devices. I also think another thing holding a lot back is the sheer lack of any models getting released for people to talk about - in 3 years i think there has been 2 releases from model space - the x wing and gt40 (correct me if I'm wrong?) Pretty much everything on the model space website is out of stock so can't even purchase a past model to build either as a sub or complete kit. Pretty poor when lots in the same time frame has come from the likes of hachette (I can count 4), eaglemoss (4 from them too) and agora have cranked out lots since they launched just over 12 months ago, granted 2 kits are a re sale for other countries, and the 1st was a re make of an existing kit but at least they're putting some effort in as a company and got to start somewhere, They have 1 unique kit, and 3 more coming this year alone with more due to be announced. It really feels like model space has died, some people seem to be under the impression MS will be closed down soon due to lack of anything, the sudden opening of fan home and subsequent move of products from MS to FH! I suppose the new fan home subsidiary of de agostini has added a fair few - iron man, the dodge charger, picking up r2d2 etc, but despite them essentially been de agostini, seems a bit off that they can't be talked about on a forum that clearly bears de agostinis name. Also, a heck of a lot of model community has now moved over to social media in recent years - build groups on there are busy as heck, from ecto 1, Terminator, spitfire, Eleanor Mustang, etc there are hundreds of groups with many hundreds of fully active members on each group (or topic if you like). Granted there is no organisation on Facebook compared to a forum, but its far more active. Quite a lot of other companies out there also have lots of models available between them, but we're not really allowed, or welcome to share them here (understandable, why would model space want their forum full of competitors builds?), but on the other hand it perfectly acceptable for the regulars/'old boys' (not old in the literal sense, just those who have been here a very long time) to share lots of diaries etc on anything weather its MS related or not.... seems a little unfair. I also agree with what mustang said RE: the recent competition. I felt like anything from me wouldn't even be considered an entry, and certainly no chance of winning anything as I only build standard partworks, im just beginning to learn the basics of weathering my 1st ever model, and adding modifications to another, theure from competitors companies (forum rules state we can't share them), and I can't upload photos off my mobile, so what's the point entering? The mention from the OP regarding all he has seen is posts regarding delivery issues/damaged parts... well, thats pretty much a full reflection on model space. Granted the past year has been tough for everyone globally, but I have recieved 19 deliveries with a few minimal disruptions for 1 kit, a full sub delivered every month for the last 12 months without fail for another, and 2 others running as regular as clockwork through the whole pandemic and none of them with damaged parts either, only MS seems to be suffering constant and regular issues which, small parts sent out loose in massive boxes its no wonder parts get damaged, so people come here to complain as as I belive is rightly so - a company should be able to take the negative as well as the positive, and improve the negative. is getting mighty frustrating. TL:DR its old fashioned, not compatible with modern mobile devices, doesn't work/load properly,lack of MS products to actually share/talk about. Building: Ghostbusters Ecto-1, Ford GT40, Gone in 60 seconds Eleanor mustang, Shelby Cobra Complete: R2D2, Red Bull RB7 RC, Battleship Bismarck, Shelby GT500 'super snake'
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Whilst the forum shows over 8000 registered members I think it is worth adding a little detail to the membership numbers and what they mean. A lot of people register to join the forum when they first take on a DeAg/MS partwork/kit, mainly because the initial literature provided points subscribers/purchases to the forum as the best place to register and join, especially when looking for any assistance that may be needed. People will register perhaps with good intentions to participate but do not necessarily take an active part in the forum itself during the course of their build. Then when a partwork comes to its end or they’ve finished their build, a good proportion of these members will simply drop out, some may return now and again whilst others stay away. The point here is that their registration remains active to allow for any potential return in the future, registrations are not deleted especially if posts or content have been made. Deleting these registrations would result in the deletion of their provided content. It has been known for members to return after a while especially if they’ve taken on another subscription/partwork.
I think the best figure to consider when looking at the foot of the forum is the number of active users. Even as I write this post I see the active number of users sits at 506 and in fact, quite recently has been in excess of 1400. Active users are the number of individuals on the forum at that point in time, some being members who are not logged in whilst others may be non-members simply looking in. For a forum to have this amount of people looking in at any one time does in fact show there is a great deal of active interest in the content of the forum and its this number I think members should take more note of.
The forum is a fantastic source of information on a multitude of different topics/genres and whilst we may have quite a high active user count, it would be great to see this active user count translate into active discussion/build posts. However, activity on the forum should not just be measured by the number of posts that are being made on a daily basis, as important as all of these posts are but should be viewed in conjunction with the active user count. After all, it’s the content on the forum that garners the interest in the first place.
The forum does have some problems I’ll admit, pics not showing being the major one that affects all of us and we on the team do all we can simply to keep the forum running but, we can only do so much. We are aware of the modifications that need to be made but for now we keep soldiering on and simply ask members to hang in there….
Regards
Alan
PS.... 10 minutes after posting this up the active user count now shows 647 active users. Almost 140 additions in 10 mins, this shows we have a very active and interesting forum....
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Rank: Administration Groups: Administrator, Administrators, Forum Support Team, Global Forum Support, Global Forum Support Team, Moderator, Official Builds Joined: 24/08/2009 Posts: 1,928 Points: 5,796 Location: UK
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Everyone is welcome to post anything they’re building. Regarding competitor builds, there is even a special section for them, so it is hardly what is described. There are a few conditions to posting builds from the other companies, but hardly anything onerous.
Pictures have been a problem for ages, and I’m told that will be fixed when the new forum rolls out. (A lot of other things are tied into that, but it’s coming)
Kits are listed as “out of stock” because there are stages/packs missing and/or the product has been moved to FanHome. They finally figured out that folks weren’t thrilled with ordering a full kit, and getting somewhat less than.
There are MANY apps to size pics for your phone, and most are free. Apple imbeds a bit of code that only allows pics to be viewable as a download.
Regarding the comp; if you note, most of the featured builds were NOT partwork builds. The winning entry was 1/700, no less! Regarding the number of votes...we had 27. Twenty seven. Out of hundreds of viewers. Kev mentions the kit I pulled out of my own stash; a 1/12 Model Factory Hiro Ferrari 126C2. It has a retail value of $775 or so. That was from ME. I won’t getting reimbursed for that. I put it up in hopes of further engagement. So, this last comp was the last comp, period. From a sheer commercial point of view, the ROI was not there on terms of boosting forum engagement. Unless you, the viewers have an idea on a comp (which I’d really like to hear. The forum SHOULD have comps, and they should be FUN)
Under the “previous” management, these boards were not friendly. I have done everything I can to change the culture and feel of them. It IS a more enjoyable place to be. We have more viewers than ever before, with at least 250 viewers at any given point in the day Mornings (UK time zone) are the busiest. This is 10pm my time, and there are usually 1000+ looking around. 7pm Pacific time zone usually has 6-800 viewing. When I’m poking around during the day, 350-400 is the usual. I’d love it if everyone was commenting, but in all honesty, that would probably crash this POS platform, and that’s no good.
Also, under the previous management, complaints were not allowed. That was the first thing I changed. While I can’t magically cause the parts to repair themselves, or teleport missing packs/stages/parts, I CAN put a bug in the right ear. I also will not give you a BS answer. If I don’t know, I say I don’t. If I say I’ll try and get an answer, I try. (I don’t always hear back, but that’s another story) And as many here can attest, I have helped a lot of you-all. I recognize and share in your frustrations. I also pay for my subs. And, my subs are delayed too. I also have kits that are missing craploads of stages, because I’ve pulled parts from my own builds to help you-all keep going. What aggravates me to no end is seeing the same complaints being talked about, time and again. Usually, the answer has not, and will not change. You are all as aware of the current shortcomings as I am. But, trust me, this too shall pass.
Bottom line is this; this, for the time being, is what we have to work with. We can attempt to make the best of it, or we can wail and moan about it. (I personally tend to swear a lot, as the FST can verify) But, we, (the FST) are doing everything we can do to make sure that you-all have an enjoyable experience while here.
So, what do you LIKE about the forums? We’ve pretty much covered all the crap.
Best,
Mark
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Joined: 25/03/2011 Posts: 1,027 Points: 3,075 Location: Lincolnshire
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Hi everyone, I’ll be the first to admit, I love ModelSpace as a site and forum. ModelSpace was the first and only forum I ever joined, and it’s still the only forum for me. I’m not a member of any other. In my early days I remember I looked at lots of forums, but this was the one that attracted me. By the way the ideas I posted (mainly bad ideas) were not moans, but ideas to improve, just for the record. Yes you are right Mark, the atmosphere has improved loads and it’s down to you and the FST, and I don’t think you and the rest of the guys get the credit you deserve for all the hard work you do. So on behalf of my self and the rest of the forum a big thank you!!! With regards to competitions, let’s all build the same type of plastic model kit and the winner gets the new competition medal (which hasn’t been invented yet) I see a new forum is coming and that gets me excited, to see what’s around the corner I can’t wait. Finally, let me say that the reason we have these conversations is because we all care about ModelSpace and what it means, and that is an encouraging thought!
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Rank: Master Groups: Registered
Joined: 20/03/2010 Posts: 1,199 Points: 3,473 Location: Glenrothes
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Morning Folks I have been busy renovating my shed so not posted for a while Bought a new one and used the old tongue and groove planks to line the inside (double planked ) and just waiting for the floor paint to dry With regards to lack of comments on members diaries I find that I would only be repeating what has already been said so perhaps the addition of a thumbs up imogi (a like button) could be added to boost ones moral for time and effort taken to post Although I post non deag models I do have a few of them stashed away which I have no intention of starting until I retire I find it best to check out the forum between 3 and 4 am when the ****** cat is meowing to get out then back in I have no probs seeing the pics between those times Take care
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