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As some of you are finding out that carbon decals come in many forms, different weaves and colours etc. What I intend to do here is show you the types of decals and links to where you can get hold of them and the correct weave and scale plus a few tips to get the same effect with out having to splash out on a new sheet etc.. First off we have the twill weave which a lot of us will or have been using but by giving the area that the carbon is to be aplied too a different colour then we can see how this can be used on the model you are building.. The second picture is the same carbon Decal but aplied onto a GOLD background giving a different effect seen for example on the inside of the cocpit area of the McLaren.. The decals shown here are 1/12th from scalemotorsport and are the twill pattern.. Attached is the original image for clarity... Warthog attached the following image(s):
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Sorry - maybe I'm being thick or too much plonk at 9.30 pm... What are the decals (who'se brand - where are they from...?) what b/g colour etc.... Are they particularly 'different' to the supplied kit????? Roy
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roymattblack wrote:Sorry - maybe I'm being thick or too much plonk at 9.30 pm... What are the decals (who'se brand - where are they from...?) what b/g colour etc.... Are they particularly 'different' to the supplied kit????? Roy Your not being a plonk Roy... Just been away so not had time to update/finish the thread..
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Did you apply any type of lacquer over them
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goonerscott89 wrote:Did you apply any type of lacquer over them Yes Scott.. I used Halfords Clear lacquer in 3-4 light coats and 20 mins inbetween each coat..
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The Carbon used here is called Carbon Mesh and is used on smaller structures where strength is not a priority. This Decal is from Studio27 and once again is in 1/12th scale (part no FP0003)The Decal sheet underneath is carbon Composite fibre from scalemotorsport but I have not had very good results with this as its too brittle and breaks up easily.. maybe a bad batch but not worth the money in my oppinion. The second picture is both Decals being used on the front suspension on a black background/surface Warthog attached the following image(s):
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Pocher Ferrari F40 Interior Carbon Kevlar TranskitDon't know if you have looked at these, mind at 59 US bucks plus p&p I might just keep looking!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pocher-...&hash=item51a00c60d9Broken link Nick[/quote] See if that works, if it does I found them on Ebay cheaper. If it does not work the it must be Neanderthal man bumping into modern technology Just tried it and it works from here if I whistle, stand on my head.
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See if that works, if it does I found them on Ebay cheaper. If it does not work the it must be Neanderthal man bumping into modern technology [/quote] Worked that time :-) Not sure I would be using it on the McLaren though
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That one works nick CURRENT BUILDS
Mclaren MP4-23 Ford 1/12 Shelby Mustang GT500 2010 HMS Pandora
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Quote:Worked that time :-) Not sure I would be using it on the McLaren though Trouble is what ever you use you are a bit B******D because unless someone does some after market stuff it's just 'obsons choice, innit
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Nick wrote:Quote:Worked that time :-) Not sure I would be using it on the McLaren though Trouble is what ever you use you are a bit B******D because unless someone does some after market stuff it's just 'obsons choice, innit Thats where hopefully this thread will help out mate :-)
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Warty Sir I do admire your work and just wondering if you could maybe....tell us if you do this as a profession or just for your own pleasure. How many models have you made etc.....come on and spill the beans and give us some history
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Purely as a hobbie skid... been making models for years and remember my dad getting me my first sopwith camel biplane to make at the age of 6.. got hooked and been making them on and off since. Lost interest a few years back and must have hundreds of kits in the loft etc.. some expensive and not so much, some half built. Build any thing from Armour to Scifi.. A few F1's from Tamiya and resin kits from films etc.. Most have been binned as no room and get broken with parts missing. This McLaren has got me back into it and I don't have all the tools that I would like to have so I use my imagination and what I have to hand to create something better.. I know there are a lot of aftermarket parts available for things like bolt heads etc but I might as well make my own for the cost of less than a quid.. Saying that i have spent a lot more on paints and chrome etc, decals and the like so this kit is and has cost me so far more than the sub lol but it will be something i will be happy with and until I'm happy with the results to make it as realastic as possible to the real thing then I'll keep going at it
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 Mine was a camel too about the same age aswell Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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@Warthog, I'm currently building a 1/24 scale MP4-25 Revell model, as practice for building the MP4-23 DeAgostini kit I bought. Would you recommend using decal soft on all decals? Or only when instructions specifically as for it?
And how many layers of decal soft should normally be applied?
I'm gonna post a build diary of the MP4-23 after my holiday in october, but I thought it as good idea to practice on a smaller more expendable model first.
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Decal softener allows the decal to conform to different surfaces ie panel lines on aircraft etc so that the decal looks "painted" on and then you have the decal setting solution that helps the decal to adhere better to the surface it's going on, I tend to use both and it's not really a matter of the amount of coats you give it that help the decals to "sit" better on the surface but how you apply it. Too much and the decal could "shrivel" too little and you could be there for hours but that could also be down to the make of decal. I've used some types of decal that no matter how much of the softener you use it makes no difference and the decal stays the same with no improvement or gain. You will be able to tell when the softener is working as the decal will start to "stretch" to the position you want it to go rather than it tear and that's when you know you can stop using the softener. The revell kit is a good start to practice on and will give you an idea of what is involved. If your going down the rout of carbon Decaling everything then you will need 2-3 maybe 4 bottles to see you through to the end though.. Not all the decals will require you to use softener on them as explained above as there are no panel lines/rivets etc to cover but it's up to you at the end of the day. It won't do any harm if you do as long as your happy and reassured that you have achieved what you wanted too.. Spencer
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Thank you very much for the fast reply Spencer. I've bought some extra decal sheets for the 1/8 kit, and am looking to at least add extra carbon to the brakes. The 1/24 revell kit already had carbon decals included, so that's good practice.
One more question if you don't mind. When adding custom carbon decals, what's a good way to determine the shape of the custom carbon? Do you make a template of paper and then cut that out the carbon sheet with a hobby knife?
I've looked through the forum and found tons of custom carbon, but couldn't find the process of creating the custom carbon itself.
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