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Ive recently used Klear on the front suspension unit before applying the decals. I applied it by brush and think I may have left it on too long as it went really hard and I ended up scraping the stuff off again before applying anything.  Did I do something else wrong apart from leaving it on too long? Also Ive found now the decals are drying out they look fine apart from the edges lifting and so not moulding around the suspension, what can I use to get them to mould? Its only minor little things but Ive come so far I just like the little details to be right. Any help would be gratefully recieved.....thankyou McLaren MP4/23
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I can't quite understand what you did wrong with Klear.....
It's just a very thin but smooth acrylic coating. I've never had issues with it. I'm not sure what you mean about 'leaving it too long'.....
It just dries after 15 mins or so - that's it.
To get the decals to 'fix' at the edges etc, use Microsol. It's great stuff.
Apply the decal, coat with a brushload of Microsol and leave it. The decals will fit to any contours. Then (when dry!) coat again with Klear.
Roy.
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ok, as ever thanks Roy, Im coming to the conclusion Im either going mad or I had something on the brush that I wasnt aware of. I'll try again  McLaren MP4/23
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You didn't make an error with the Klear itself, its brush on and leave.
The error was putting it on before the decals, they would have not been able to adhere properly to the Klear finish.
As RMB says above, apply the decals using Microsol/Microset to get them to mould to the body contours, then apply Klear once the decals have fully dried
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metallica155 wrote:You didn't make an error with the Klear itself, its brush on and leave.
The error was putting it on before the decals, they would have not been able to adhere properly to the Klear finish.
As RMB says above, apply the decals using Microsol/Microset to get them to mould to the body contours, then apply Klear once the decals have fully dried Agree with this.. Klear goes on after the Decal not before
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metallica155 wrote:You didn't make an error with the Klear itself, its brush on and leave.
The error was putting it on before the decals, they would have not been able to adhere properly to the Klear finish.
As RMB says above, apply the decals using Microsol/Microset to get them to mould to the body contours, then apply Klear once the decals have fully dried I always apply Klear before decaling to achieve a nice gloss finish for them to adhere to & it works fine. I recoat when dry to protect. I don't think Klear is your issue. Think you should definatly use the Microsol/Microset as receommend already. Wilfy
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I used Mr Hobby Clear Coat and its amazing! So easy to use as well!! Definately recommend!!!
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thank you all for your words of wisdom, its reassuring to know thst even now at this late stage there is still help out there...'Warty' you continue to be an inspiration  and Ian your tip on Hobby 'clearcoat' nice... a big thank you McLaren MP4/23
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RobbieP wrote:thank you all for your words of wisdom, its reassuring to know thst even now at this late stage there is still help out there...'Warty' you continue to be an inspiration and Ian your tip on Hobby 'clearcoat' nice... a big thank you Ah your too kind!! 
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I didnt have much luck with klear myself.Left milkly stains everywhere ended up just taking it all off again.  S hes in the spray booth now ready for some clear coat.
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yes David, that was the same with me milky stains and then dryness that looks like dried glue  Ill see if I can put up a photo to show you what I mean.. McLaren MP4/23
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 the picture sort of shows you what I meant...could be a case of taking them off and ordering new File Attachment(s):  006.JPG (329kb) downloaded 83 time(s).McLaren MP4/23
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RobbieP wrote: the picture sort of shows you what I meant...could be a case of taking them off and ordering new Hi Robbie I'm trying to understand what has gone wrong here  First i need to understand how you are applying the decals and secondly the amount of drying time that your giving the decals?? If your appliyng the decals with a solution like MicroSol or the revell one then I can't see how your getting the decals uplifting as they are from the picture.. Decals should be left to dry overnight and then the Klear applied evenly and sparingly to give a single coat at a time.. leave to dry and repeat... the next day if necessary. I know we all have different degrees of expertise and to some this method of applying Klear can be daunting to some beginners but may I suggest that when you get your new decals (or remove the old ones in warm soapy water) and leave the suspension in its original black? I think you will be happier in the long run ( I'm not too fond of the decals myself to be honest) Spencer
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Hi, is this just for decals or is this to apply to give it a shine to the whole of the model including silver and red parts of the model ?
cheers
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thanks for your comments Warty, what I did was apply by brush a coating of Klear and left it thinking the decals would adhere to it and follow the contours of the suspension then, after the application and about 5-10 mins I used warm water to detach the decals and applied them to the suspension...no Micro-Sol just Klear before hand and warm water for the decals. I think youre right, going back to the plain black would be better, I was much happier before I applied the decals and for my first attempt pleased with the results until then so, tomorrow its out with the warm soapy water and off they come. The ones on the rear suspension are fine does it mean I'll have to take them off too? thank you again for your support...its appreciated McLaren MP4/23
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RobbieP wrote:thanks for your comments Warty, what I did was apply by brush a coating of Klear and left it thinking the decals would adhere to it and follow the contours of the suspension then, after the application and about 5-10 mins I used warm water to detach the decals and applied them to the suspension...no Micro-Sol just Klear before hand and warm water for the decals. I think youre right, going back to the plain black would be better, I was much happier before I applied the decals and for my first attempt pleased with the results until then so, tomorrow its out with the warm soapy water and off they come. The ones on the rear suspension are fine does it mean I'll have to take them off too? thank you again for your support...its appreciated Hi Robbie Ok I can see how you have become confused Klear is NOT a setting solution. Klear is a polish to add a protective coating to the decal once it is dry. It's a floor polish but it is used by modellers too Aircraft Canopies and sometimes to protect the paint. From what your saying is your using it as a setting solution rather than the MicroSol that some here are using.. Easy mistake to make my friend and it can be confusing to some who have never used it before.. Imagine it as a TOP COAT and nothing more. If you do get new Decals then just apply as in Tomick's Official Build, Warm water and nothing else I'll PM you and give you my Mobile so if you fancy a chat from a fellow Cornishman then I'll be happy to help Spencer
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driving4life wrote:Hi, is this just for decals or is this to apply to give it a shine to the whole of the model including silver and red parts of the model ?
cheers Hi It can be used for the whole of the model but there needs to be a certain amount of skill involved... Please don't think I'm saying you don't have the skill to do this but unless used in the correct way, you could end up messing it up PM me if you need to ask any more Q's and I will be more than happy to help Spencer
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Here is a VIDEO on how to apply Klear... In the US its called Pledge (they like to be different!) Don't forget you will get different results due to the type of car your adding it too but follow the basic process and you should have no problems.. Just a tip.. when buffing use a Lint Free cloth (new) and do not press to hard.. You might have to add another coat but do this once the first coat has fully dried (as in a few hours) Spencer
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I use an airbrush to apply Klear. Brilliant stuff!!!!
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Nemesis wrote:I use an airbrush to apply Klear. Brilliant stuff!!!! It Is great stuff once mastered.. Welcome to the forum Nemesis  Spencer
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