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 Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Hello! This will be my first build and I'm very excited. I've read in the forum that it is both for beginners and advanced builders. But, being a beginner, I don't have building materials yet. I have just ordered the kit and will receive the first installment in a couple of weeks. I assume the kit does not contain glue, paint, etc? Are there recommendations as to which type/brand of glue or paint (and any other pre-needed materials) to purchase beforehand? Forgive me if this is stated in the manual (which I haven't received yet). I was hoping to get a jump on the needed materials (since the nearest modeling store is about 30 miles away). Brian
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 Hi BWillliams Firstly welcome to the forum and that you enjoy your build, the USA forum is currently situated in the other forums part of the home page. As for tools follow this link to a good basic selection posts #20 to#28 http://forum.model-space...aspx?g=posts&t=4749
Im not sure if the tool kit that was available here will be offered to you but it has a plank bender in it and a pin pusher, also a paint kit was put together here plus copper tiles and a stand hopefully they will become available also. Link here http://shop.deagostini.co.uk/filter-by/tools/
Hope this helps regards Andy  Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi forgot you asked about glues, PVA is generally used for basic wood joints but aliphatic is slightly better as it has a deeper penetration of the joints thus a stronger bond. Epoxy glue will be needed also go for a 30 minute set rate Medium super glue will be a good idea too Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi and a huge welcome to the forum.... Just over a year ago I like you was a complete beginner and while waiting for issues to be released and parts to be delivered I spend a lot of time reading many of the build diaries for the various kits.... Would highly recommend you do the same, there is a wealth of information and experience contained within this forum and you will find there are always members who are willing to help and impart their knowledge to get you moving along.....  .. Very best of luck with your build and I like others will look forward to seeing your progress in the form of a build diary... hope you will do one.... Regards Alan
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Hi Andy, thanks for the info. The order page does say that they send out the toolkit during the 4th month shipment. I'm assuming I won't need it until then. From what I'm gathering, here in the US, we are getting monthly packages, but most posters received weekly packages? The more I read the build diaries, the more I'm beginning to think I need a small workshop. I hope not. I will definitely need to make a visit to the hobby store this weekend for the glues, etc. Concerning the paints and following the link you gave...are those paints in the "Tool Shop" pretty much what people are using? Ie, a beginner can't go wrong with those paints? Brian
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Alan, Thanks. I'm reading your build diary now. Wow, I need to get a dry dock up immediately before the first package! The glass press is a great idea. Concerning the Balsa fillers between the ribs...now that you've done it, is it your opinion that the filler is definitely way to go? What is your next project? Or are you still on the Victory (I haven't reached the end of your diary yet). Brian
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Hi Bwilliams The paint sets have been researched and formulated to give a good rendition of the paint used at the period of there use this being around the battle of trafalgar . They can be brushed on and enough paint is provided to compleat the build. Hope this helps regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Bwilliams You asked Alen about using infills these can be a good aid to giving more surface area at the bow and stern areas for more inexperienced modelers and would recomend this to any new starter in ship building just be carefull to keep everything square when adding these fillers. Of course not all people use them if you look at my saintisima trinidad build i havent used them, link below http://forum.model-space...osts&t=7623&p=5
hope this helps Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Thanks Andy, I can definitely see how it would really make planking immensely easier and improve overall stabilization. With an added benefit of actually being able to float -- well, I do realize it would be a bit topheavy. But not having any sort of woodworking room/area (yet), I didn't know how much effort/space it would require. Boy this project is growing in scope and I haven't even started! Looking at your Santisima Trinidad build, I think I'm sold on the Balsa filling. I have absolutely no experience in plank bending, plank gluing or plank anything, so I think that is what I'll need to do. Brian
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Another question while I'm gathering answers... Is there any reason for me to buy an airbrush? Or will standard brushes and paint fit the bill? Brian
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Hi An airbrush is a big investment to make and should only really be considered if you intend to carry on making models, one way to test out an airbrush would be to try the can of air type sets that are quite cheap to buy but can give you an idea of there use. As for the painting of period models they were far from perfect a visit to any old lady of the sea's will show that the hulls in parts are quite rough and ready ,damage from berths in ports on the sides aswell as repairs at sea for battle/storm damage is evident, Therefore brush painting can be ok I suggest if you can a visit to a period ship like the Constitution and you will see exactly what I mean regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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bwilliams wrote:Another question while I'm gathering answers... Is there any reason for me to buy an airbrush? Or will standard brushes and paint fit the bill?
You will have no problem brush painting. give me a shout if you need some advice on thinning pint and what brushes to use etc
Jase“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Hi Andy, I was looking at the Master Airbrush G22 System for $47 on Amazon.com. It has good reviews and is good small jobs I believe. I saw a video where a builder was airbrushing the smaller parts of the ship (and putting them on toothpicks to dry) so it got me thinking. Good point about lack of perfection in the real ships. Thanks again for the advice! Thanks Jase. I'll stick to brushes then. Brian
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bwilliams wrote:Alan,
Thanks. I'm reading your build diary now. Wow, I need to get a dry dock up immediately before the first package! The glass press is a great idea.
Concerning the Balsa fillers between the ribs...now that you've done it, is it your opinion that the filler is definitely way to go?
What is your next project? Or are you still on the Victory (I haven't reached the end of your diary yet). Hi Brian, that's your first lesson learned, a good dry dock is simply vital if you hope to ensure your hull is straight and true, I wouldn't build these ships without one... .. Most modellers you will find will use a dry dock and of course a press of some sort to ensure parts are perfectly flat before fitting, so ensure you check all pieces for any warping ... As this was my first build I elected to give myself the best chance possible of making the planking a success and used balsa infills for the whole length of the hull.... Andy already mentioned it is not necessary and I do agree but I would recommend using infills for the bow and stern sections at least to aid in getting the curvatures right... Have already started my next project, have just started building the Mantua's RMS Titanic, reportedly the best Titanic kit out there and am producing a diary as I go under the 'Other Builds' section.... Last point is on an airbrush, think this is down to personal preference... I have an airbrush and used it for painting the hull but I do prefer brush painting/staining for the majority of the fittings as this does give a sort of rough appearance which these ships had.... Like I said, personal choice and am sure you will come up with a method that will be to your liking... Hope I have answered all of your questions so good luck with the build and I know we would love to see how you get on..... Regards Alan
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Got the first installment today so I'm excited to get started! I was surprised it was shipped in a plastic bag and even more surprised nothing was broken inside. I'm concerned how well these packages will stand up to the US Postal system and crossing my fingers that all future packages arrive unbroken. Brian
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bwilliams wrote:Got the first installment today so I'm excited to get started! I was surprised it was shipped in a plastic bag and even more surprised nothing was broken inside.
I'm concerned how well these packages will stand up to the US Postal system and crossing my fingers that all future packages arrive unbroken. Hi Brian, looking forward to seeing you getting started on this one..... .. Suppose we are all at mercy of the postal system but we seem to get there in the end.... Regards Alan
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Finally got time this weekend to do parts 1-10. Since we get monthly shipments, I'm not sure if the parts match the UK parts. From reading the main build diary, it looks close, but not exact. I am having great fun so far. Definitely hooked. My only problem is that I glued in the first few ribs before I read "Tip: Don't glue in the ribs yet". I hope I didn't sabotage myself. I will create a list of tools/items for folks that have no experience with models and thus having no hobby tools, etc. I haven't gotten to the planking yet. Of course, the right tools make everything so much easier. My 12-year old daughter wants to do the 34-foot launch once she saw me putting it together. She did do the frame with a 2 recoverable errors. I told her to read twice before doing anything. Of course, she's 12 and knows everything so we'll see how this goes. :) I'll need to order the paint before we go much further so it'll give me and her some time to think about what sort of arrangement we'll attempt. Here's the US Part 1 (Packs 1-10) with my $4.20 dry dock! bwilliams attached the following image(s): Brian
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Hi Brian Good to hear your enjoying the build and I don't think that you will have a problem with the glued frames if you have used PVA glue wetting the joints with hot water should free them if required. What a gem of a daughter you have showing an interest in making models and mistakes are only learning curves to do better next time. The planking can be daunting but with the help of the various diary's on here most problems can be solved with ease , one golden rule is don't force a plank to go where you think it should be let it go where its sitting comfortably. If you look at my latest posts on the Santisima Trinidad build I have shown an example of the use of tapers to plank a hull. Best Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Rank: Beginner Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 23/12/2013 Posts: 12 Points: 36 Location: Atlanta
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Thanks Andy. I'll definitely keep that in mind and refresh myself with the planking diaries before I start. I was wondering since I can't see it anywhere: Does anyone know if I can find the HMS Victory Paint Set for US shipping? It's not on the US site and the UK site doesn't allow US addresses. I might need to call the US customer service number. Brian
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Hi Brian, good to see you've taken the plunge.
Don't worry about the ribs, I did the same. I noticed that some here actually glued them all up because they felt it was better that way.
I generally follow the instructions but it's OK to go off sometimes if necessary.
Follow the build diaries though, I find them invaluable.
Good luck.
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