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karl1113 wrote:hi, no that particular infill,was a mistake by the builder, he ended up removing it(I think) Hi Karl. Thank you for letting me know that. It is greatly appreciated. It's really great to have you guys looking in and able to give us Newbies advice from lots of experience. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Gandale wrote:George1 wrote:Hi Alan. Appreciate you looking in and your input on this query. From the pic you supplied I can't see any reason to infill the Bowsprit. There looks to be "Bling" to go right where bottom of balsa infill would be in the way. I'd guess and say any balsa infills in Bowsprit would as I guessed be only necessary to stop any warp while waiting for fitting and not needed otherwise. You have enlightened me on this so thanks again, it's greatly appreciated and will save some unnecessary work. Regards George Hi George, you are spot on.... There is no need to infill this section but I would recommend you store the parts flat until needed and not put them together until you get to the stage of actually fitting to the bow..... Keep doing what you are doing, you are doing a great job..... .. Will be following your progress with interest.... Regards Alan Hi Alan. Thanks for your kind comments and even more your help in this matter. It is as always greatly appreciated. we're lucky to have you guys with experience to guide and answer queries. I'd be very happy for you to look in anytime and give advice as it will certainly make my work easier knowing I'm on the right track. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Issue 11 came this morning now put together. First Decking. First pics dry fitted. Later pics gluing in place as I want to infill with balsa and waiting on issue with nails will put me behind when 2nd. decking comes. Last pic the now tedious job of gluing rib frames now in correct position. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Great work there George...Now that you have got some decking on, I found that the ribs are very fragile at this point before the planking is applied. I discovered to my horror when the model was upturned to fit the garboard planks...three of mine snapped!! I since used polystyrene packing especially around frames 15, 26 and 27? She's really coming along nicely George, well done mate!!Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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jonny7england wrote:Great work there George...Now that you have got some decking on, I found that the ribs are very fragile at this point before the planking is applied. I discovered to my horror when the model was upturned to fit the garboard planks...three of mine snapped!! I since used polystyrene packing especially around frames 15, 26 and 27? She's really coming along nicely George, well done mate!! Hi Jonny. Thanks for looking in and kind comment, much appreciated. Yes I can see the rib frames you mentioned being somewhat of a problem when ship upside down. I'm currently doing a full infill with balsa and for the moment I've got the largest/highest rib frames off end of table but I'm going to run into trouble other side when I do it because table hard up against the wall that end. I will do as you have suggested re the polystyrene. I did snap one side of a rib frame early in the piece when I was trying to get stuck braces off so could cut to shape. Lucky the break was nicely shaped so glued back as good as new but like you warned I am watching those high ribs all the time. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George Further to my last post (no.25), I'm not going to infill the bowsprit or the stern gallery - I can't see the merit of it. I only have these parts dry fitted so far as is the lower deck so now I'm going to get cracking on the hull infills. I am still trying to nut out how to safely immobilise the ship whilst it is upside down for the planking, once all the infills are in place. I'm not sure if polystyrene is strong enough. Frames 22 and 26 are the main worries - the tops of these ribs need to be off any surface. I'll keep you posted mate. Regards JohnP
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John Passmore wrote:Hi George Further to my last post (no.25), I'm not going to infill the bowsprit or the stern gallery - I can't see the merit of it. I only have these parts dry fitted so far as is the lower deck so now I'm going to get cracking on the hull infills. I am still trying to nut out how to safely immobilise the ship whilst it is upside down for the planking, once all the infills are in place. I'm not sure if polystyrene is strong enough. Frames 22 and 26 are the main worries - the tops of these ribs need to be off any surface. I'll keep you posted mate. Regards JohnP Hi John. Read Alan's reply to your query your thread re mast sizes for doweling. Thanks Alan As far as infills Bowsprit there certainly is no need to infill unless you're worried that warping may occur till fitted and even then only temporary as "Bling" later goes right between the ribs. A few have used the polystyrene and others the doweling to protect rib frames when upside down so it's a choice. I think the easiest is doweling to suit mast holes on a base board. However I'm always prepared to accept other advice. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George Looking good, the dowel idea is about the best and simplest way forward as it will hold the ship rigid and be easy to work on. There are a number of jigs built by the Victory builders to do just what you want here's one I found, link below, scroll down to post # 52 this could be adapted quite easily to suit your needs. http://forum.model-space...osts&t=1911&p=3
Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Andy. Thanks for kind comment appreciated. Looked at the build URL and found "Jig" very interesting. Quite a simple idea but looks very effective. Certainly not hard to make. Because in use the deck sits/rests on the clamp boards and is held rigid by a rib frame each end it's probably even more stable than doweling on base board. Thanks again. Your input on this greatly appreciated. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George Not at all just doing my bit so to speak, there is another simpler jig that is good for angling the ship at about 45% from the perpendicular but I have to find that one still not as good as the previous jig but good for working on the hull Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi George. Been a busy week for me. Lots of clients and working late. Yes I reordered issue 8. I will keep both skiffs one for the ship and one for ron. I enjoyed the discussion on securing the hull for planking and thank you for generating that discussion. I am off to Bunnings buy the materials to build the jig Andy mentioned. I put my deck on last night and everything went very smoothly. Ribs at right angles, keel line is straight, mast holes are round. True bliss!
Photos on my link later today.
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arpurchase wrote: Hi George Not at all just doing my bit so to speak, there is another simpler jig that is good for angling the ship at about 45% from the perpendicular but I have to find that one still not as good as the previous jig but good for working on the hull Regards Andy Hi Andy. Will keep my eye out for that one when you find. All are handy to know for different wants and needs. Thanks again. Very much appreciated. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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bb1949 wrote:Hi George. Been a busy week for me. Lots of clients and working late. Yes I reordered issue 8. I will keep both skiffs one for the ship and one for ron. I enjoyed the discussion on securing the hull for planking and thank you for generating that discussion. I am off to Bunnings buy the materials to build the jig Andy mentioned. I put my deck on last night and everything went very smoothly. Ribs at right angles, keel line is straight, mast holes are round. True bliss!
Photos on my link later today. Hi Brex Nice to see you back. I was wondering where you'd gone. Looked in your build thread. All coming along very nicely. The info on the ink stains also very interesting thanks. Yes I think that "Jig" Andy mentioned will do the job nicely. There's lots of work later on the hull and the need to be upside down to do it. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Hi George,
Your work is really meticulous and premium quality. It's great to see many build designs and getting great ideas and tips off everyone.
Regards,
Michael
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MichaelKan wrote:Hi George,
Your work is really meticulous and premium quality. It's great to see many build designs and getting great ideas and tips off everyone.
Regards,
Michael Hi Michael. I don't know about meticulous but I do appreciate your comment. Yes, everyone probably has a little different idea in mind as they go and some of the more experienced builder's threads are definitely worth looking at in that regard. Regards George. Building HMS SOTS
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Hull infill. One side done for now. Gonna' need to purchase more balsa before totally finishing other side. Thought my stack of balsa was enough, but surprising how quick it gets used up. Have left slot recesses in position for angle brackets as I want to use the base board as long as possible. Can't do no more at stern till next rib frame comes and I know the angle. Will probably have to sand more that end anyway. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Very nice work George, you should find the planking so much easier now you have the in-fills done. Looking good Steve
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stevie_o wrote:Very nice work George, you should find the planking so much easier now you have the in-fills done. Looking good Steve Hi Steve. Thanks for looking in. Your comments very much appreciated. Anything to make the planking easier later is certainly worth it. Regards George Building HMS SOTS
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Nice looking work George, very well done.... Think you will now find the hull feels very solid plus the added advantage of doing the infills is you can now see clearly how the hull profile will look..... .. Keep the pics coming.... Regards Alan
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Wow! You have moved on! Well done! I intend to do the infills as well over the next two weeks. Bow is done and I will work to the stern, alternating each side just in case I twist the keel. I think that shouldn't happen given the deck is in place but it is still humid over here and there is always that chance. Did you have any issue with glue line. I find it can be an effort to get an even finish between the softer balsa and the rigid glue. I use PVA what do you use. Brex
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