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Looking great Karl, still pondering over the fairing,hope to start planking soon, not sure how far to go on some of the ribs, no:11 seems set back away from the rest, still all the forum pictures will help, keep up the good work.
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Son of Bulwark wrote:Hi Karl!  Well you beat that problem! replanked in double quick time, Fantastic simply Fantastic! had to say that twice it's that good. I'm still framing the mid deck gun ports had to many stops with the hospital last week not much time to build, you haven't had that problem. I hope your happy with the way it all looks, keep up the good work Karl.  Darron Bulwark I've had that problem. You pitch up at the hospital, get sent to bed and no workbench, no power supply, no dremel. we spend all this money on the NHS and there are absolutely no facilities for us to build our models at all. Then you get sister saying 'don't get glue on the sheets and you can't do sanding in here' it's outrageous!!! I'm about to go back in so I guess my build will have to wait - perhaps thats part of the Defence Review. The NHS has been ring fenced so where's my workbench?  ArtfulBodger Previous Build: HMS. Bounty
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bodge and darren,I feel for you buddies,no way would I go to hospital without me beloved models,I broke my leg quite badly when I was thirteen,my mum bought me some airfix and wait for it,frog plastic models,they ended up on the rest of the ward cabinates,and all the visiters wondered where they came from.ahhh those were the days.   Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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 thats all the planking and gunports done. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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 modified the stand so it can be used now. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi Karl!  You have said "thats all the planking and gunports done.", but you are short of the two gunports on the bow middle row. Should be 31mm from the side of the port next to rib 12, as shown in issue 27 page 12 step 9. I see you have been lining your ports, your a fast worker getting all that work done in such a short time. That building stand looks blinking good Karl.  Darron
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thanks darren, don't know how i missed them, will do today.the reason I lined the gunports now is,I will be putting on a veneer finish,to show a recess for the gunport covers. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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 Hi Karl, looking good as usual mate...but did you run into any problems with rib 15 at the top? I am very keen to find out how you and any of our shipmates are getting round the problem? much obliged.... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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jonny7england wrote: Hi Karl, looking good as usual mate...but did you run into any problems with rib 15 at the top? I am very keen to find out how you and any of our shipmates are getting round the problem? much obliged.... Hi shipmate! I had to add a 1mm plank to the tops of rib 18 & 23, the tops or ribs 15 & 27 had to be sanded back by 1mm - 2mm, the middle of rib 15 had to be reduced as well be 2mm - 3mm in places and the bottom of rib 15 had to have a 2mm plank added to it. All the planks added to the ribs were bent first then glue with supper glue, when dry sanded back to the correct shape. Check this be using a plank across the ribs if it is pushed out by the rib sand back, if there is a gap then you need to add wood to than area and if the plank is OK! Then stop you got it right!. It just takes time, So don't rush it! I hope this helps you. Darron
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Son of Bulwark wrote:jonny7england wrote: Hi Karl, looking good as usual mate...but did you run into any problems with rib 15 at the top? I am very keen to find out how you and any of our shipmates are getting round the problem? much obliged.... Hi shipmate! I had to add a 1mm plank to the tops of rib 18 & 23, the tops or ribs 15 & 27 had to be sanded back by 1mm - 2mm, the middle of rib 15 had to be reduced as well be 2mm - 3mm in places and the bottom of rib 15 had to have a 2mm plank added to it. All the planks added to the ribs were bent first then glue with supper glue, when dry sanded back to the correct shape. Check this be using a plank across the ribs if it is pushed out by the rib sand back, if there is a gap then you need to add wood to than area and if the plank is OK! Then stop you got it right!. It just takes time, So don't rush it! I hope this helps you. Darron It certainly helps me, thanks Darron. I was starting to do this and the more time I spent fairing the more it appeared that these minor adjustments had to be made. Sanding back the rib at one point and then building it up further down seemed odd and wrong especially for laser cut parts. Really reassuring to know I am on the right track after all. Thanks again. John
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Hi Darron, I have packed out various ribs where necessary and removed the odd millimetre or two in places, and looking ahead in the build I find that rib 15 is as much as 2mm out at the top...If you have sanded it back, did you make up the difference on the inside ready for whatever part goes into that position at a later date? much obliged... Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Hi karl so what veneer finish do you plan to use above the waterline? For now jonny7england I have left the inside of the ribs well alone as it's best to wait to see if we will need to add anything to the inside of the ribs?. I will be planking the inside to hide my gun port frames, from the upper deck as you can see this deck from above. If any extra wood is needed at the top of the ribs a small piece of plank is all it will take. z800783 wrote:It certainly helps me, thanks Darron.
I was starting to do this the more time I spent fairing the more it appeared that these minor adjustments had to be made. Sanding back the rib at one point and then building it up further down seemed odd and wrong especially for laser cut parts.
Really reassuring to know I am on the right track after all.
Thanks again.
John
The problem John with laser cut parts is if the CAD program has the wrong information put in the shape will not be right, the laser cutter uses a different program to the CAD so it has to be converted so again errors can be entered at this point. If the material to be cut isn't clamped down properly then the sheet can move, parts can get cut wrong. The last problem is poor or no quality control things don't get checked! so we have to put thing's right ourselves. Darron
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Son of Bulwark wrote:The problem John with laser cut parts is if the CAD program has the wrong information put in the shape will not be right, the laser cutter uses a different program to the CAD so it has to be converted so again errors can be entered at this point. In which case all our builds would be identical and the design faults would be in the same places. This doesn't seem to be the case here. Son of Bulwark wrote:If the material to be cut isn't clamped down properly then the sheet can move, parts can get cut wrong. The last problem is poor or no quality control things don't get checked! so we have to put thing's right ourselves.
I think this may be the problem although there are 2 things wrong, poor production and poor checking. I have never had any sort of answer when I have asked this and it is disappointing to have not received an assurance from DaG that they are doing something about this bearing in mind that the project still has 2 years to run nearly. My experience of companies using Chinese sub-contractor is that they are very receptive to feedback. If they are on the case it would be nice to know, I am sure Tomick must have noticed these issues. John
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the case where evrybodies build is different,some of us approach these problems from different angles,this is where having no plan discrepancies will rear it's ugly head,some will reduce the ribs where neccessary others will pack out,some like me will do a combination of both,so different builds will appear,but I think the same end result will be a cracking model.as for the veneer I will be using is quite honestly I hav'nt decided as yet,but I think maybe as near to maghogany as I can get,similar to the de prado finish,of their version of victory. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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had to re plank,long long story so wont bore you,here are the lastes pics.  Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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How are the other projects coming along Karl?
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hi mr.t other projects on going,cuttysark waiting anytime for bits,had the instructions,and by the look of them a fair bit of work to be done.nearly finishes the hull. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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