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Tomick wrote:Where any part of the deck exceeds the outer edge of the frames, the deck needs to be sanded back. Interestingly my rib 15 seems OK but 18 (19 is a little 'out' as well) isn't looking too brilliant. I presume I should not sand the deck back here but build up the rib, should I not? John
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The deck should not exceed the outer edge of the frames, simply check the flow across the frames with a plank and fair to suit.
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Tomick wrote:The deck should not exceed the outer edge of the frames, simply check the flow across the frames with a plank and fair to suit. Sorry to be a bit slow but what does 'fair to suit' mean in my case? John
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z8000783 wrote:Tomick wrote:The deck should not exceed the outer edge of the frames, simply check the flow across the frames with a plank and fair to suit. Sorry to be a bit slow but what does 'fair to suit' mean in my case? John Sanded back. 
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Jack Sparrow wrote:z8000783 wrote:Tomick wrote:The deck should not exceed the outer edge of the frames, simply check the flow across the frames with a plank and fair to suit. Sorry to be a bit slow but what does 'fair to suit' mean in my case? John Sanded back. What the deck? That will make a v shape then. Are you saying I should sand the deck back rather than build the rib up? John
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You have to sand the deck back to follow the curve of the ribs and the hull. Not sure about a 'V' shape, could you post some pics to clarify??
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admin wrote:Hi All
We'd like to reassure you all that there is no cause for concern about the shape of frame 15. As we say in the magazine, it's important to fair the hull frames thoroughly, but you will have no problems, so long as the frames are thoroughly sanded to give a smooth run to the planks.
The model shown in the magazine has been built from exactly the same parts you have, and over the coming issues you'll see all the planking building up step by step to cover the entire hull. Watch out for our Expert Tips and troubleshooting hints to help you over any of the trickier points in the construction.
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Admin Hi Admin Before I have my say, I would like to mention that this is in no way the start of an argument, and only my chance to voice some concerns, so please do not take anything I say personall! they are only my concerns and opinion. Now onto what concerns me the most Fairing the hull! this is one of the key stages of the build or any ship build in my opinion, get this wrong and you can mess the whole of the build up, there are not clear enough pictures or instructions to fully understand this process,as is evident from the number of new posts requesting help on this matter, now usually, I resort to plans at this stage, although not all plans include instructions on planking, but they do usually give a guide on the lines to follow. Rib 15a and b are not all the same, like mentioned, so either some of us have done something wrong, or there is an issue, now for anyone to state that they need to sand these parts down so that the planks will sit flush, must know something we dont, if I was to sand down the top section of rib 15a I would have approximately 1.4 mm of wood left (according to my Digital calliper) this worries me as this diameter will not match any other rib on the ship, and would also weaken it, but this still doesn't solve my problem, as rib 15a is also not in line on the inside of the ship (rib) the inner planking if there is any will not match, so I again, would have to patch up the job in question, but we dont know what is going to happen to the top of rib 15 as we do not have the instructions to look forward to this part of the build, this is why the plans would be an asset at this stage. I for one will not be following this advice on sanding them to fit, as I feel this could backfire big time, I will be using the method described by myself and Magpie, this seams the best way forward, but I do feel for anyone building this who does not know about the site or the problem, is there anyway you can give us the plans or a sneak peep at what we will be doing on this section of the rib now rather than later? Best wishes David PS I came across this build of the HMS Victory, is ours being built somewhat differently? I would love to have been able to include all full cannons lol how busy would that have kept us  A. Latina HMS Victory BuildShip Builds on the go
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Jack Sparrow wrote:You have to sand the deck back to follow the curve of the ribs and the hull. Not sure about a 'V' shape, could you post some pics to clarify?? I did. John
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z8000783 wrote:Jack Sparrow wrote:You have to sand the deck back to follow the curve of the ribs and the hull. Not sure about a 'V' shape, could you post some pics to clarify?? I did. John My apologies John, I did not see the links. As far as I can see yours are the same as mine, and looking at Tomicks build pictures he has sanded his decks to the frames, but then in another post he says the deck should not need sanding.   So I am now in a dilema as what to do. I am glad I spotted your posts and looked through the replies as I was going to start fairing mine tonight!! I will not bother now until this is 100% cleared up!!
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If any part of the deck protrudes frame edges, the deck should be faired to suit the flow of planking across the frames, simply check with a plank.
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Do it methodically and remove a little at a time and keep rechecking with a plank, its not a job to be rushed, did you buy some two-stroke oil for the chainsaw?
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Tomick wrote:If any part of the deck protrudes frame edges, the deck should be faired to suit the flow of planking across the frames, simply check with a plank. But the frame/rib is inset/set back compared with the two either side of it. Surely this will cause a dent to appear. John
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How does it look when you run a plank across the frames which includes any you are saying are set back, presumably you mean set back compared with other frames, what you are looking to achieve is a smooth flow of planking across all frames, can you post a photo?
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z8000783 wrote:Tomick wrote:If any part of the deck protrudes frame edges, the deck should be faired to suit the flow of planking across the frames, simply check with a plank. But the frame/rib is inset/set back compared with the two either side of it. Surely this will cause a dent to appear. John If the frames are set back and when you lay a plank across the frames it dips in leaving a dent, I build the frame up with a 1mm plank untill it is slightly proud, then sand it back. Worked ok for the Black Pearl I am building.
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Jack Sparrow wrote:z8000783 wrote:Tomick wrote:If any part of the deck protrudes frame edges, the deck should be faired to suit the flow of planking across the frames, simply check with a plank. But the frame/rib is inset/set back compared with the two either side of it. Surely this will cause a dent to appear. John If the frames are set back and when you lay a plank across the frames it dips in leaving a dent, I build the frame up with a 1mm plank untill it is slightly proud, then sand it back. Worked ok for the Black Pearl I am building. Did DeAgostini provide us with spare planks to do any fill work, or will we have to purchase our own? (I haven't checked my parts yet ) Ship Builds on the go
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No need to answer, I just checked and forgot about the 4 free extra issues we had, with all them spare planks, so that should do the trick Ship Builds on the go
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Tomick wrote:How does it look when you run a plank across the frames which includes any you are saying are set back, presumably you mean set back compared with other frames, what you are looking to achieve is a smooth flow of planking across all frames, can you post a photo?   John
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