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I don't want to start a row again, but my own PERSONAL OPINION is that DeAg are going to do nothing. As a few others have said, 'ignore it, and it will go away'. Please note: I've said this is my OWN OPINION - I don't need anyone moaning about me or telling me to keep off the forums. You have your opinions - I have mine.
Roy.
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Whilst everyone is banging on about fairings and wings in varying shades of wrong colour could anyone explain why Mclaren put two rather large pieces of unfinished grey plastic (and DeAg have copied it) around the engine and called them covers. Now I have never seen an MP4-23 close so I have no idea what finish they have but in my simple mind they are not plain ABS!
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PLEASE.... DeAg..... FIX this one, then give us the Senna McLaren, and maybe a 1/8 Lotus 49 as compensation......... Roy.
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Nick wrote:Whilst everyone is banging on about fairings and wings in varying shades of wrong colour could anyone explain why Mclaren put two rather large pieces of unfinished grey plastic (and DeAg have copied it) around the engine and called them covers. Now I have never seen an MP4-23 close so I have no idea what finish they have but in my simple mind they are not plain ABS! Not sure what your getting at Nick but they are heat panels to stop the exhaust heat getting to the engine and creating unwanted overheat... they would be possibly made of a dence fibre and grey in colour.. insides lined with gold protective sheilding.. the Deag version is an accurate copy of this but made in ABS because its an ABS kit!! It's a bit like asking why is the model not made of carbon fibre like the real thing... now that would be nice
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Warthog wrote:Nick wrote:Whilst everyone is banging on about fairings and wings in varying shades of wrong colour could anyone explain why Mclaren put two rather large pieces of unfinished grey plastic (and DeAg have copied it) around the engine and called them covers. Now I have never seen an MP4-23 close so I have no idea what finish they have but in my simple mind they are not plain ABS! Not sure what your getting at Nick but they are heat panels to stop the exhaust heat getting to the engine and creating unwanted overheat... they would be possibly made of a dence fibre and grey in colour.. insides lined with gold protective sheilding.. the Deag version is an accurate copy of this but made in ABS because its an ABS kit!! It's a bit like asking why is the model not made of carbon fibre like the real thing... now that would be nice Yes I see your point but I still think it looks like a grey piece of ABS. Carbon fibre is not going to be right, nor black, nor silver. Not possible I know but seeing McLaren licensed this model it would have been nice to release some shots for detailing, after all this is not this year or next years car. I enjoy the model but I still believe DeAg missed a great opportunity in this model once you are up to 600 quid what would 200 more mattered for some etched brass and other bits. Tamiya can do it on a lot smaller scale cars. Now I wanted a real live 1/8 Lewis to drive mine round the living room floor!
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Nick wrote:Whilst everyone is banging on about fairings and wings in varying shades of wrong colour could anyone explain why Mclaren put two rather large pieces of unfinished grey plastic (and DeAg have copied it) around the engine and called them covers. Now I have never seen an MP4-23 close so I have no idea what finish they have but in my simple mind they are not plain ABS! This will explain the grey bits lol. goonerscott89 attached the following image(s):
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goonerscott89 wrote:Nick wrote:Whilst everyone is banging on about fairings and wings in varying shades of wrong colour could anyone explain why Mclaren put two rather large pieces of unfinished grey plastic (and DeAg have copied it) around the engine and called them covers. Now I have never seen an MP4-23 close so I have no idea what finish they have but in my simple mind they are not plain ABS! This will explain the grey bits lol. That's Good!!!! Was nearly going to paint mine in Vallejo L/Silver, that would not have been good.
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Also notice that the exhausts are not bright chrome in this image, yet other images show bright chrome, which just shows the variance.
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hope you dont mind but im "borrowing" that picture before you get asked if you have permission! lol If at first you don't succeed........skydiving is not for you!
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scottww86 wrote:hope you dont mind but im "borrowing" that picture before you get asked if you have permission! lol I wouldn't post anything if it's not to be shared. I don't think that mclaren is the mp4-23 so the exhaust might be a different colour to the pic. It's just to show the grey colour engine covers
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Why is Andy Murray pushing that Mclaren?
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Tomick wrote:Also notice that the exhausts are not bright chrome in this image, yet other images show bright chrome, which just shows the variance. Although shows no sign of burning through heat
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dave1978 wrote:Why is Andy Murray pushing that Mclaren? Back-Up for when he fails again
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Its a little sad that Deag have decided to ignore the question this post was originally about (colour problem). It would now seem that everybodies thoughts that Deag would bury their head and pretend this problem does not exist and would be better for them to forget about was correct. I was hoping that they would step up and offer a credible and satisfactory fix for all people who spent their hard earned money on this otherwise incredible model. I was hoping that they would also do the Senna McClaren cause they would have looked so good together but now i have to seek legal advise regarding full refund cause Deag in their infinite wisdom have decided that a cobbled together model is ok. I will never purchase from this company again, they promise so much and fail to deliver on an epic scale.
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andylangtree wrote:.................Deag in their infinite wisdom have decided that a cobbled together model is ok. Think that's a bit harsh - it's certainly not cobbled together - details are amazing - colour issue is the problem - and from normal viewing distance is not noticeable - at least in the lights in our house.
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andylangtree wrote:Its a little sad that Deag have decided to ignore the question this post was originally about (colour problem). It would now seem that everybodies thoughts that Deag would bury their head and pretend this problem does not exist and would be better for them to forget about was correct. I was hoping that they would step up and offer a credible and satisfactory fix for all people who spent their hard earned money on this otherwise incredible model. I was hoping that they would also do the Senna McClaren cause they would have looked so good together but now i have to seek legal advise regarding full refund cause Deag in their infinite wisdom have decided that a cobbled together model is ok. I will never purchase from this company again, they promise so much and fail to deliver on an epic scale. Wooo thats very harsh. Lets remember that DeAgo have given us the opportunity to build this model for a 'reasonable' price... compared with the 2500 it would cost to buy the kit from Amalgam. I am with everybody that the colour issue is annoying, and I'm not even relying on it to build it! but we have to be patient. But we've been patient I hear, yes, but this isn't a straight forward fix. The manufacturing behind such a model all has to be reviewed. Having said that, I would have expected some response. Don't right them off so early, The Japanese guys had to wait until the end to resolve paint issues... the Clear coat. And when people complain about this, its a standard end to any model built, its not something you can hold against DeAgo. This model is brilliant, the detail in it is outstanding. The more we moan the more we are digging our own hole for future releases, and I personally want the MP4/4 more than the MP4-23. Lets lighten the mood on the forum and sit back and wait for Kyosho/DeAgo to sort it... and when they do, Happy days! Building the McLaren MP4-23
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Senna94 wrote:
Lets lighten the mood on the forum and sit back and wait for Kyosho/DeAgo to sort it... and when they do, Happy days!
Well said Senna 94. I have stayed away from this paint match discussion until now as I am hoping Deag come up with a solution and I am sure the bitter comments will not help to this end. But at the end of the day we are modelers and I am sure we can overcome this issue ourselves if need be. After all most of us have models on the go that do not come painted, not ideal I agree but I'd rather sort it myself than send the whole kit back for a refund and lose out on all the hard work and a great model on the whole. And I am sure Warthog will come up with a solution that even I can follow Regards Bob Builds in progress
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I'm as frustrated as the next man and I've made my feelings known (somewhat unpopularly at times) but having said that, I'm expecting to sort the colour problem myself. The japanese 'fix' was a clearcoat, so why does anyone think the UK fix will be any different? I personally still think that the 'easiest' fix would be a set of decal pieces to fit over the pre-painted parts, in the correct colour. This is a pretty complex kit, not really aimed at 'amateurs' and I would be surprised if anyone subscribing here is incapable of applying some decals. After all, none of the panels/parts are so particularly comlex in shape trhat decals couldn't be applied, and we already have quite a few decals to fit that 'officially' come with the kit. A few more wouldn't be a heartache. It may not be the 'perfect' solution of replacement plastic parts in the correct colour, but its a fix that would work, wouldn't cost DeAg/Kyosho a fortune, and wouldn't be too much of a headache to do. Personally, I'd be happy with it - more so than just trying a clearcoat that will just make the wrong colour glossy.
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roymattblack wrote:I'm as frustrated as the next man and I've made my feelings known (somewhat unpopularly at times) but having said that, I'm expecting to sort the colour problem myself. The japanese 'fix' was a clearcoat, so why does anyone think the UK fix will be any different? I personally still think that the 'easiest' fix would be a set of decal pieces to fit over the pre-painted parts, in the correct colour. This is a pretty complex kit, not really aimed at 'amateurs' and I would be surprised if anyone subscribing here is incapable of applying some decals. After all, none of the panels/parts are so particularly comlex in shape trhat decals couldn't be applied, and we already have quite a few decals to fit that 'officially' come with the kit. A few more wouldn't be a heartache. It may not be the 'perfect' solution of replacement plastic parts in the correct colour, but its a fix that would work, wouldn't cost DeAg/Kyosho a fortune, and wouldn't be too much of a headache to do. Personally, I'd be happy with it - more so than just trying a clearcoat that will just make the wrong colour glossy.
Roy. We would be needing new front and rear wings, therefore I would expect a company that supplied wrongly in the first place to send them out complete, ie already done.
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But,(my English teacher told me never to start a sentence with but.) But surely new wings are the most complicated pieces to replace, I haven't counted the issues required,(I'm sure someone will tell me soon!) the other option would surely just to do something about the two body parts, that only requires one issue!
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