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amipal
#21 Posted : 22 July 2010 18:50:55

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Drool nice picture collectionDrool

Thanks, hope they help! BigGrin
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#22 Posted : 22 July 2010 19:51:09

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This isn't good, it's exceptional, fantastic. How did you manage to stay on the boat for 4 hours without being thrown off, I thought they only did guided tours?
Anyway,it's excellent I couldn't have done anything like it.
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#23 Posted : 22 July 2010 23:45:05

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ArtfulBodger wrote:
This isn't good, it's exceptional, fantastic. How did you manage to stay on the boat for 4 hours without being thrown off, I thought they only did guided tours?
Anyway,it's excellent I couldn't have done anything like it.

Thanks shipmate! I did stop for fifteen minutes for a spot of lunch... Plus an hour was spent outside the ship. You can get guided tours, but you are allowed to progress at your own pace as well. I did get a funny look from one chap there, probably wondered why I was so enamoured with a piece of rope! LOL
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#24 Posted : 23 July 2010 12:57:42

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A note to anyone who is visiting the Victory - I managed to get shots for most decks, except the hold and orlop decks. These were very dark, and I was unable to get very good images here.

So there's a challenge! You may need an external light source to help focus, or failing that a camera with excellent low-light capabilities.
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#25 Posted : 23 July 2010 19:24:02

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Here,s a couple if there any good







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#26 Posted : 23 July 2010 20:45:24

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I still cant find away of saving these brilliant pictures in a bigger size, I'm hovering all over the picture???
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#27 Posted : 23 July 2010 22:12:39

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Zeptrader wrote:
I still cant find away of saving these brilliant pictures in a bigger size, I'm hovering all over the picture???


If I am not mistaken you need to join flicker, then you may have the necessary permissionBlink
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#28 Posted : 24 July 2010 09:28:45

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If I am not mistaken you need to join flicker, then you may have the necessary permissionBlink

Ee, sorry, didn't realise that. Blushing Flickr is part of Yahoo!, so if you have an account there you should be able to access it fine. I'll have a look at alternatives - the main reasons I uploaded them to Flickr were because I thought everyone would have access to the full resolution images plus I could do it automatically from iPhoto.
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#29 Posted : 24 July 2010 11:59:13

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Very Interesting, is the copper plating shown in picture 2 the same as the hull plating? if so then Zeptrader's research was correct about the riveting pattern all over each plate, and the information in the book HMS Victory - her construction, career and restoration is incorrect on this matter?

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#30 Posted : 24 July 2010 12:23:25

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Lonestar, the rivet pattern that I posted was for the Syren and not for the Victory, it was meant only as an idea of achieving the rivet pattern, but as I mentioned before would the scale of our ship be such that any rivet pattern would have to be very small and therefore almost impossible to see or even reproduce.
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#31 Posted : 24 July 2010 12:43:05

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Yeah, I know that mate, what I meant was, the book I read didn't mention any over plate riveting or pattern, only you did, and after looking at the photo above, there appears to be a pattern?
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#32 Posted : 24 July 2010 13:14:49

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The photographs are of one of the magazines on board Victory. The magazines on wooden ships were lined with sheets of copper for two reasons: The gunpowder had to be kept free of damp so that it would stay explosive over long periods when the ship was at sea. The other and most important reason for using copper was to eliminate the danger of sparks in the magazine. The gunner had the job, during an action, of filling cartridge bags with the black powder before it was sent up to the guns. He would have made sure he wasn't carrying any ferrous metal implements and would wear felt slippers rather than boots with iron nails in them.

There is no reason to believe that the rivet pattern in the magazine would be the same as the external copper. The information I have researched is that the external plates were originally fixed around the edges. Victory was one of the first ships to be coppered and would have had the edge pattern at the time of Trafalgar. It was after Trafalgar that the Royal Navy changed their pattern after a number of incidents in which the copper plate lifted and allowed the rot to get behind.

I want to try some ideas and then suggest a way in which those who want to, can add the 3000+ plates to their hull!

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#33 Posted : 24 July 2010 14:12:58

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Hi Amipal,
Great pictures you put on for all to see.
Can i ask what colour are the thwarts in the launch would you say(they don't look white to me), and what colour for the windlass in the launch.
Thanks,
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#34 Posted : 25 July 2010 19:34:36

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Glen wrote:
Hi Amipal,
Great pictures you put on for all to see.
Can i ask what colour are the thwarts in the launch would you say(they don't look white to me), and what colour for the windlass in the launch.
Thanks,
Glen

The thwarts and windlass were sort of a charcoal grey on the launch at Portsmouth.
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#35 Posted : 19 December 2010 11:45:38

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Hi Amipal
Thank you very much for sharing these great pictures. It will be a dream for a while until I will be able so see the real thing, so the images are a big help during my Victory build.
Would you allow me to use one or two minimized version of them for my build diary just to compare the details of the original with the model? I would of course add a copyright to them. Thanks again.

@ Tony
interesting details, images of the lower decks are hard to find.
Any explanation what the layers of leather were for?
To prevent the barrels from rolling away??

BTW: I thought using camera flash is not allowed onboard ;-)



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#36 Posted : 19 December 2010 14:40:26

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Mr.Quist wrote:
BTW: I thought using camera flash is not allowed onboard ;-)


Not just flash but cameras generally because of our old friend H&S. Presumably
someone had an accident whilst taking a picture so of course no one can now. Last
time I was there I just hung back from the group which was moving round too fast in
any case, and took all the pics I wanted. If you are the sort of person who obeys
rules though you will be in for a disappoint if you wanted pictures.

John
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..because of our old friend H&S.

Could you to throw a little light on this one for me???

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Mr.Quist wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
..because of our old friend H&S.

Could you to throw a little light on this one for me???

Cheers Timm

I'm afraid not, that's all they told me when I started taking pictures, it was clear
that it would be pointless attempting to reason with them. I don't know if there had
been an accident or whether they were being overcautious.

I believe it was the Commander's decision and he had made it fairly recently.

John
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Not being allowed to take pictures has its origins some twenty years ago when I visited Victory, we were told that photography was banned since some d***head with a movie camera had almost fallen over the side when he moved backwards to get a wider shot presumably. I would have hung back taking pictures but I had the boss with me who kept saying in a voice loud enough for all to hear 'you can't take pictures it says so!!' Cursing Cursing

All they need is a sign saying that if individuals have an accident, they take responsibility. Let's have some common sense back into our society.

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Mr.Quist wrote:

@ Tony
interesting details, images of the lower decks are hard to find.
Any explanation what the layers of leather were for?
To prevent the barrels from rolling away??

Cheers, Timm



Timm

Read my earlier post on this topic. The picture is of one of the magazines where the gun powder is stored. The leather is part of the precautions to ensure there is not even a remote chance of a spark. The walls are copper lined and the barrels are banded with copper hoops, all of which helps to avoid sparking and the possibility of an explosion

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