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#41 Posted : 24 January 2013 02:01:30

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I still have a lot of victory left and hood and my king tiger - decisions decisions
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#42 Posted : 26 January 2013 18:41:43

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OK I have done it 1 very large Bismarck on its way Blushing but can not get the KA upgrade as site is down Mad
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#43 Posted : 26 January 2013 18:57:47

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G Factor has produced a Brass Prop set for her, which I've just ordered.
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#44 Posted : 26 January 2013 21:07:55

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court orchard wrote:
G Factor has produced a Brass Prop set for her, which I've just ordered.



Thanks i am waiting to see what happens on the update fron befor i make a decision i will be finishing my King Tiger and my 1:350 Hood before i start. so i have time to see what pans out. I did spot a company doing 1:200 scale swastika and the KA upgrade set being sould as sub sets. i will post some web sits

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#45 Posted : 26 January 2013 22:00:39

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As promised.

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/brm-d-20001.aspx

Bismarck research
http://www.bismarck-class.dk

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Just a point though it depends upon what moment in time you want to reflect wether you have a swastika or not. Bismarck was only in her Baltic colours for the first part of the breakout. While in the fiord, when she was spotted by the Spitfire, the black and white stripes were painted out and the swastikas painted grey to avoid Ariel recognition. only the blacked out false bow and stern and false bow waves were left on. They are only visible on the wreck because the top paint layer has eroded away.

I wil be building her without Baltic paint as she was the moment she engaged Hood
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#46 Posted : 27 January 2013 00:43:05

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jase wrote:
As promised.

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/brm-d-20001.aspx

Bismarck research
http://www.bismarck-class.dk

Jase

Just a point though it depends upon what moment in time you want to reflect wether you have a swastika or not. Bismarck was only in her Baltic colours for the first part of the breakout. While in the fiord, when she was spotted by the Spitfire, the black and white stripes were painted out and the swastikas painted grey to avoid Ariel recognition. only the blacked out false bow and stern and false bow waves were left on. They are only visible on the wreck because the top paint layer has eroded away.

I wil be building her without Baltic paint as she was the moment she engaged Hood


Thanks Jase, I'm not sure about the paint job, they seemed to change it every couple of days. What do you know about yellow tops to the main batteries? I like the idea of painting her as she met the Hood. Do you have a definitive scheme for this? I definitely don't like the Baltic Camo (plus it's very difficult to take it up onto the superstructure). As far as I understand the deck was changed as they exited or entered Air range, for Aerial recognition. Didn't the Brits bomb their own warships, during the hunt for the Bismarck?
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#47 Posted : 27 January 2013 02:34:11

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court orchard wrote:
jase wrote:
As promised.

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/brm-d-20001.aspx

Bismarck research
http://www.bismarck-class.dk

Jase

Just a point though it depends upon what moment in time you want to reflect wether you have a swastika or not. Bismarck was only in her Baltic colours for the first part of the breakout. While in the fiord, when she was spotted by the Spitfire, the black and white stripes were painted out and the swastikas painted grey to avoid Ariel recognition. only the blacked out false bow and stern and false bow waves were left on. They are only visible on the wreck because the top paint layer has eroded away.

I wil be building her without Baltic paint as she was the moment she engaged Hood


Thanks Jase, I'm not sure about the paint job, they seemed to change it every couple of days. What do you know about yellow tops to the main batteries? I like the idea of painting her as she met the Hood. Do you have a definitive scheme for this? I definitely don't like the Baltic Camo (plus it's very difficult to take it up onto the superstructure). As far as I understand the deck was changed as they exited or entered Air range, for Aerial recognition. Didn't the Brits bomb their own warships, during the hunt for the Bismarck?


I have done a lot of research around the Bismarck and Hood because my grandfather was on HMS Anthony a destroyer with Hood when they engaged the Bismarck (he is still alive so I gat some great memories) and his Brother was on King George V when Bismarck was sunk, i have actually had his story published as it is a bit unusual.

Yellow turret tops - yes we know that an instruction was given for the main and secondary turret tops to be painted yellow on the 26th. It is generally believed it either did not happen or was not completed but there is only some evidence it happened non of the survivors can recall it happening and the wreck shows dark grey on secondary, (primary turrets are upturned) but as we know the grey paint has come of the swastikas it doesn't prove anything that, said there is one German eye witness who recalls seeing the swastika clearly as she went down, they were supposed to be repainted as she approached Brest, at the same time as the yellow was applied, and there is a logged radio message from the Royal navy stating turret tops are yellow. One word of caution much of what you will read on the web about Bismarck's final operation actually comes from the war diary of Prinz Eugen. She arrived in Brest with Yellow turret tops and had painted out her swastikas and was ultimately under the instruction of the Admiral on Bismarck. some claim Bismarck had canvas covers over the swastika but i have never seen any hard evidence of that from a primary source and certainly my grandfather believes it is nonsense due to the practicalities of securing it on deck against an Atlantic ocean and crew would have to walk on it etc. - so a definitive answer at time of Hood sinking see link below. Did the crew crack open the paint as Bismarck steamed in circles and they desperately attempted to fabricate a rudder and release the starring gear, i am sceptical but you could chose to go yellow but still without swastikas visible.

and yes the fog of war did lead to a fairy swordfish attack on our ship but was quickly disengaged, nothing new about friendly fire!!

If you use this link it will take you to the 3 paint arrangements of Operation Rheinbung, she was at stage 3 for engaging hood note there is still some white markings on the waterline often missed by model builders.

http://www.bismarck-clas...bism1941rheinubung.html

Or go yellow follow this link and see bottom of the page.

http://www.kbismarck.com/drawings.html
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BigGrin Hi Jase
I must say your investigations are spot on and the information very imformative. I still have ballards book from when the wreck was found, but I have to say that the yellow turrets tops as some say they were painted is a bit vaugue as I think yellow would stick out like saw thumb and would have been reported [the crews of the destroyers who fired the torpedoes would have got close enough to have eye ball views of the ship] by the ships taking part in the final battle. I personaly think its a case of mistaken identity with the Prince Eugen ,perhaps propaganda to make the British think they had sunk the Prince Eugen and not the Bismark
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Thanks Jase, lots of useful info, apologies for throwing so many questions at you.ThumpUp ThumpUp
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#50 Posted : 27 January 2013 15:31:26

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court orchard wrote:
Thanks Jase, lots of useful info, apologies for throwing so many questions at you.ThumpUp ThumpUp



Any time, I actually quite fance doing my Bismarck in Yellow now LOL LOL would certainly make for a more unusual model Cool
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