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Hi again. I am back. Not been doing much on the build for a long while, for many reasons. I miss it. I see the parts inside their boxes every day. The two metal frames takes up quite a lot of space and I have no good place to put them while working on it, the model outgrew the table. And I need to keep it safe and not risk dropping it to the floor because I have to move it around all the time, from a top of the pile of laundry, to the floor and so on. Very soon I will have a dedicated table for this, and it will be big enough. And covered with a self-healing cutting-mat. I have not been completey cut off from building. I did build the Revell 1:28 Sopwith Camel. Bright colors, many decals and I used floor polish to cover the airbrushed paint and decals. Worked out really great. So trying out some new techniques that will be useful later. And getting better at airbrushing. I need the practice. Time well spent. But the big news is that I got a 3d printer the other day. I have unboxed it but not started it up yet. It's a M3D Micro Plus. It was cheap, small and "plug and play".  Perfect for me to start learn about these machines. I have been waiting a few years for the right moment to buy one. Many has been saying they are not good enough yet. But what do I know. I have no frame of reference for this. I know printers are a bit controversial within the model-comunity, I understand why. I see it as another tool and hopefully a way to build better models for less money. I am a 3d artist so I will not buy finished models online to print myself. The idea is to model and print everything I need myself. And document the process when its possible. For many years I didn't have a need for a printer, but suddenly I have so many projects that could benefit of a printer. Not only model related projects. So I just got tired of waiting. Expect more posts when I get everything set up, and start producing test prints.
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The last thing I was going to do on the build is to look over how to extend the existing internal corridors out through the motorized ramp.
I have seen it been done on this forum. Not sure who it was. I will check that buyild out. Again.
I understand that the motor will be removed and I have to cut of metal to make room for a continuous corridor. And I must be sure to not cut off some load baring supports. Can't rush this.
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The M3d is a good starter printer.I see you have a spool of ABS filament.It is a bit tricky using ABS filament,especially in a printer without a heated print bed like this one.ABS tends to warp as it cools and it often does not stick well to the print bed which will ruin your print job.I think you will find PLA much easier to work with.The main difference between PLA and ABS is ABS is easier to sand and a bit tougher than PLA, but these are not that important for the small low detail prints that this printer is capable of.PLA sticks to the print bed much better and you will see less warpage as it cools.
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Nice printer, I look forward to seeing some printed items for the Falcon. Mark Regards Markwarren (Mark) Admin
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Thanks darbyvet.
I bought one of each, ABS and PLA. The research can only get you so far. Hands-on experience is more important I think.
I have read about the heated bed and the other issues that you mention. I have also read that PLA could possibly melt in a warm window, and ABS will not. What a dilemma. A plastic that melts far too easily or a plastic that doesn't stick to the printing bed.
Once I get past that hurdle, I need prints that have some sort of quality and resolution to them, and I will test different primers and paints on the testprints I make. I have no use for prints that I can't properly paint or glue.
I somehow expect to be disapointed with the machine. Every bad thing I read about the printer is twice as heavy as a good thing. That is the feeling I get. Or that is the way I feel.
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PLA does not melt in a hot window.ABS is tougher than PLA, but the melting point is similar.ABS also smells very bad when you print.PLa has a sweet smell. Using a 3d printer is all about trial and error for sure.Finding the best settings for your machine may take some time.I am building a full size R2 D2 using PLA and it is very strong.
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One thing to be aware of.You will need quite a bit of clean up before you can paint your piece.The print lines will be obvious so you will need to sand those down and use a filler to fill the lines.PLA is harder to sand than ABS, but it is possible to make parts smooth so you dont see the print lines.I plan on doing a step by step guide to sanding PLA soon on the forum.
Printers have a resolution setting.This refers to hoe thin the individual slices are.If you choose a low resolution (0.3mm) you will see obvious print lines, but the print will be quicker because there are fewer layers per mm of Z axis height.If you choose a high resolution (like 0.1mm) the layers will be thinner and so the print lines will be finer, but the print will takes MUCH longer. Also be aware that 3d printing is SLOW.It often takes hours to print anything bigger than 2-3 cm.
As far as being disappointed I think it is all about expectations.For the price of the M3D you cant expect perfect prints every time.You are better sticking with parts that are fairly simple shapes without too much surface detail.For example you could easily print the arches that are at the entrance to the hold on the Falcon and they would look good.You wont be able to print some of the detail parts on the side of the falcon because the printer is not good at small and fine detail.
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Thanks Carl. I think I understand the finish of the result, the lines, the speed and so on. I understand I will not be able to print tabeltop wargames figurines with gorgeous detailes. Btw, is there a printer that can do that today? If the printer ONLY could make really nice I-beams for instance, it's a bit of a waste because I can buy I-beams or I can use 3 strips of styro and just build it in a few minutes. I think the printer will find its uses. I am guessing now. I haven't started yet. For instance an art-noveau wrought iron parkbench with a lot of decorative spirals could be the perfect job for a printer. It's thin, not many layers/lines, and it takes forever to make by hand. And more so if you need many. And since I am doing a diorama for my Falcon I will need many small figurines, and many will need to be alien looking. I can't buy them, I can't really sculpt that many in sculpey. So maybe print low quality alien bodyparts on a sprue, then glue parts together and finish the models with sculpey or greenstuff. Suddenly a hundred small figurines seem possible to do within a lifetime. What am I trying to say? I don't think printers will be "the final" tool that will replace all other tools. (and honstly that wouldn't be fun at all. It would probably kill the hobby) When the hype goes away it will just be one tool among the many that already exist.
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Lundin wrote:Thanks Carl.
I think I understand the finish of the result, the lines, the speed and so on. I understand I will not be able to print tabeltop wargames figurines with gorgeous detailes. Btw, is there a printer that can do that today?
For small figures you will need an SLA printer.These use a laser and photsensitive resin and can produce very fine detail.They can also do overhangs like you need for I beams.The downside is they are VERY expensive to buy, the resin is very expensive and they are very slow to print. One of the best ones on the market at the moment is the Form2 from Formlabs.The printer costs $3499 and the resin is about $150 for 1Kg.It has a small print size but the level of detail it is capable of it amazing.here are some pictures of a smaple print for the Form2.There is no way you can get this level of detail with a FDM printer. darbyvet attached the following image(s):
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I actually got the same sample but in grey. And it is very good.
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I have been playing with my printer today. First time I tried to make actual parts for my build, and at the same time learn some more. So time and filament are not wasted. During the past week I have printed some test objects in different qualities and so on. I am getting a better understanding of what the M3D Micro Plus can and can not do. One way to make my not-to-be Falcon is to change the weaponry.  I modelled a triple-laser-gun to replace the quadgun. I made the quad first. Took measurements from the metal version with a caliper. It looked good in Studio Max, but were a bit harder to recreate on the printer. Version 3 is the best one so far.  For the kit, the main body of the quadgun comes in two halves, I made it as one piece. It looks better IRL. My camera phone is too good to capture the bad things on the prints. I have just sanded it a bit, removed some bulging plastic and added a thin coat of primer. No filler yet. I need to see and understand all the bad things with the print before I get to next step in the progress, which is the filler. I print with white so it's hard to see the details because of its gloss. The primer dulls the shine.  Even the metal barrels fit without breaking the part. So, how to move forward. I need filament with a different color. Preferably grey because its the default color on the kit, but the seller doesn't have that. So I might go with black. I also will try to print without all smaller details. I think this might be close to what he printer can handle and the details might mess things up. And it will be easier to fill and sand if its a simplified model. I think I can add details easy with styrén afterwards. Overall I am happy with the result. Not even close to the finish on the metal parts, but I am not done trying yet.
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I suddenly felt I had to work on my build. The temptetion have been growing for a few weeks now. I don't really have the time right now, or the space for the full hull, so I needed something smaller to work on. Turned out to be the cockpit.  A bit of primer on all pieces, since I didn't know what colors I wanted, and it gives me a good foundation. I did put some of that insect-net on the floor. I already have it on the floor in the hold and that turned out great.  I made the corridor-walls with red/orange padding, so I used the same for the chairs and padding around the door.
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That is some very nice paintwork on the cockpit. Happy Modelling
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Looks excellent, the flooring looks great. Mark Regards Markwarren (Mark) Admin
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I decided to add all hullplates on the bottom of the ship. I needed to see how all interiour parts fit, to work out how I can extend the ramp.    And a good thing that I did assemble all this, because now I realize the issues with the ramp. I want to remove the servomotor and extend the boardingramp up into the ship, but it will not be as easy as I thought. I have found some solutions on the net, so I will look into those before I decide what to do. Anyone out there who knows about the cragolift in the aft? It's not found in the interior of the model or on the outside. Still I see it in allmost all non-Deago blueprints of the ship. I guess they left it out, completely. I want one!
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I have been thinking about doing this for a few weeks now, so while it was daylight today (the sun sets quite early in the afternoon this time of year here in Sweden) I did something a bit drastic, I primed the underside of the ship with orange. It feels SO wrong. But it is what I want. I have been considering and pondering the color for almost a year, since I bought the kit. And it was just the time to do something to kick myself in the back, and get moving forward.   And what I am aiming for the underside of the ship.  And it worked. I got a lot of new ideas and thoughts about the colors right away. And it's just paint. My feeling and reaction to the paint is -it's an awful lot of orange now. Have to do something about it.
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Nice idea, looking forward to seeing this progress. Mark Regards Markwarren (Mark) Admin
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I have used Haynes Owners Manual to model the cargo lift as a reference for when I will build it. I need something to scale to pull measurements from.  This way I can get the size on the larger objects and then free hand the details. That's the idea anyway.
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Holidays, and I am a bit all over the place, or the ship right now. I have some hard decisions to make so while doing that I focus on another part of the ship while the decisions percolate in my mind for a while. I am not going to use the lighting for the engine because my ship will be landed and engines turned off. And the plastic semitransparent part that will cover the lights just looks awful without lights. It even looks bad with the lights on from what I seen from photos. There's a lack of detailing. If I were to use the lights I would consider adding detail to the part directly. But I am not doing that, I am making a new part.  I thought I could use the part that came with the kit but cutting all those white squares out seemed a horrible way to spend my time when I can glue some styren strips together and get it done in an hour. I also added some "rudders". Maybe they are moveable "IRL". I took some measurements from the original part when assembled on the ship, so I hope my new part will fit perfectly. It seemed to work pretty well from a test-assembly I did. I put some transparent tape to the gridded buildmat with sticky side up and the styrén profiles stuck to that nicely while gluing them together.  Here is a section of how I made it. It bends pretty well. Some creaking but I think it will survive without parts breaking off. And there will be some detailing behind it. The vectorplates will also get some detailing. I have seen some great kits on Shapeways, but its too expensive I think. So I will again rely on my styrén strips for that. It will be fun.
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Great addition. Some good scratch building there, will look great when finisheded. Mark Regards Markwarren (Mark) Admin
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