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Tonight I finished moving the port on the other side of the hull, trimmed down the upper bullworks and am now ready to move forward.... Did some experimentation with the second planking, Sapele and Walnut plus treenailing.... Think I have now come to a landing on how it should look and am pretty happy with the results.....  Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Looks great. Is that done with a hole & filler, or are you putting something else in the holes? I have seen some posts that use fishing line, then others with cocktail sticks stuck in and sawn off.
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Captain David wrote:Looks great. Is that done with a hole & filler, or are you putting something else in the holes? I have seen some posts that use fishing line, then others with cocktail sticks stuck in and sawn off. Hi Dave, thanks for the supportive comment...  What I did here was to mark where the holes will be, drilled a .5mm hole then inserted cocktail sticks.... Once dry, carefully cut using a very sharp modellers knife, I used a new blade.  Sanded smooth with very fine sandpaper, cleaned with white spirit then finally gave a coat of matt clear varnish.... The pattern shown was just experimental and will be different on the actual build.... Long long process and will definately slow me down but the results hopefully will be well worth the effort on the finished build.... Hope this answers your question.. Regards Alan
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Gandale wrote:Captain David wrote:Looks great. Is that done with a hole & filler, or are you putting something else in the holes? I have seen some posts that use fishing line, then others with cocktail sticks stuck in and sawn off. Hi Dave, thanks for the supportive comment... What I did here was to mark where the holes will be, drilled a .5mm hole then inserted cocktail sticks.... Once dry, carefully cut using a very sharp modellers knife, I used a new blade. Sanded smooth with very fine sandpaper, cleaned with white spirit then finally gave a coat of matt clear varnish.... The pattern shown was just experimental and will be different on the actual build.... Long long process and will definately slow me down but the results hopefully will be well worth the effort on the finished build.... Hope this answers your question.. Regards Alan Hi Alan, very nice work, I look forward to seeing it on your build All the best Mike MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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MWG wrote:Gandale wrote:Captain David wrote:Looks great. Is that done with a hole & filler, or are you putting something else in the holes? I have seen some posts that use fishing line, then others with cocktail sticks stuck in and sawn off. Hi Dave, thanks for the supportive comment... What I did here was to mark where the holes will be, drilled a .5mm hole then inserted cocktail sticks.... Once dry, carefully cut using a very sharp modellers knife, I used a new blade. Sanded smooth with very fine sandpaper, cleaned with white spirit then finally gave a coat of matt clear varnish.... The pattern shown was just experimental and will be different on the actual build.... Long long process and will definately slow me down but the results hopefully will be well worth the effort on the finished build.... Hope this answers your question.. Regards Alan Hi Alan, very nice work, I look forward to seeing it on your build All the best Mike Thanks Mike, appreciate your comments as always.... Regards Alan
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This looks so good, I am changing my mind about painting the hull. It may depend on how good my top planking looks - this is my first build. I will have to eat my way through a lot of canapés to get all those sticks 
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Captain David wrote:This looks so good, I am changing my mind about painting the hull. It may depend on how good my top planking looks - this is my first build. I will have to eat my way through a lot of canapés to get all those sticks Am pleased you like it David, it will slow down the progress of the build of that there is no doubt but I really like the look of it.... Regards Alan
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Hit a bit of a hitch tonight but think I have resolved it... will find out when I take a closer look tomorrow....  .. It would appear I have prepared the hull by sanding, filling and applying a coat of sanding sealer to give me such a smooth finish, so smooth in fact the Sapele strips are not adhering very well, in fact hardly adhering at all.... .. Have tried PVA, Alphatic, Really Serious glue, Sugerglue gel and nothing took a good grip.... Tried sanding an area with fine sandpaper just to see if I could give the adhesive a key to adhere to... so far so good... .. If tomorrow when I return to her I find it still has a good bond then it looks as if I will have to sand the whole hull to give me the key that I need.... .. Will post how it goes... small set back but no disaster, just a pain in the *****.... ... Anybody come across this problem before with other builds????? Regards Alan
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lovely work alan, thats going to look great for sure , i had a similar problem where i had painted the lower hull grey, they stuck but would come off easily so i've just scratched up the hull so the glue can get some kind of grip Processing - Progressing
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I like the Tree-Nailing, Alan. I'm thinking of doing mine in Brass, I've got a Mountain of Brass Pins left over from other projects, including all the DeAg ones which I didn't use. I don't use Sanding Sealer unless I'm Painting, so I've never tried Gluing to it, but I guess it does what it says on the tin and removes the porosity from the Wood which is what gives the keying for the Glue. But I'm surprised the Super-Glue didn't work  perhaps the surface was too damp by then, it can be a bit temperamental in the presence of too much moisture. I'm sure a bit of roughening up will sort you out 
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Keying the surface should sort it Alan and try a gel or thick C/A. I also tend not to seal unless painting.
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Hi Alan hope you sort out the glue problem Love the treenailing Rgd Martyn Building ?
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Admiral Anti Spiral wrote:lovely work alan, thats going to look great for sure , i had a similar problem where i had painted the lower hull grey, they stuck but would come off easily so i've just scratched up the hull so the glue can get some kind of grip Thanks Admiral.... simply another little problem to be resolved.... no damage done.... Regards Alan
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court orchard wrote:I like the Tree-Nailing, Alan. I'm thinking of doing mine in Brass, I've got a Mountain of Brass Pins left over from other projects, including all the DeAg ones which I didn't use. I don't use Sanding Sealer unless I'm Painting, so I've never tried Gluing to it, but I guess it does what it says on the tin and removes the porosity from the Wood which is what gives the keying for the Glue. But I'm surprised the Super-Glue didn't work perhaps the surface was too damp by then, it can be a bit temperamental in the presence of too much moisture. I'm sure a bit of roughening up will sort you out Thanks for the very nice comments Andy.... I really like the look of it and know it can be improved yet.... Itching to really see how it is going to look on the upper hull but must be patient and not rush.... .. More experimentation done but this time with caulking between the planks... Regards Alan
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Tomick wrote:Keying the surface should sort it Alan and try a gel or thick C/A. I also tend not to seal unless painting. Thanks for commenting Mr T, appreciated... Think I have it resolved, sanding to give a better grip looks to be the answer... Will post the progress later... Regards Alan
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Martyn Ingram wrote: Hi Alan hope you sort out the glue problem Love the treenailing Rgd Martyn Thanks Martyn.... it is just a minor problem and is easily resolved.... Thanks for looking in... Regards Alan
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Well tonight I know for sure the problem has been resolved.... Gave the area I am working on a sanding with very fine sandpaper and what a difference in the grip.... Sanding sealer may be good but have found out that gluing to it can be problematic.... Started in earnest with the second planking tonight and also decided I wanted to caulk between the planks too.... This was done using a permanent marker but first gave the plank edges a fine sand, this I found helped a lot to stop any bleeding..... ... Obviously I still have to tidy up the ports this will be left until the weekend when I will also be adding the treenails..... .. I really like how it is starting to look..... Regards Alan Gandale attached the following image(s):
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Very nice.
Are these trenails (or whatever they are) an optional extra or is it explained in the magazine?
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RobT wrote:Very nice.
Are these trenails (or whatever they are) an optional extra or is it explained in the magazine? Hi Rob, appreciate you looking in.... If you look further into my diary you will see what the treenails are, these are an extra I am doing on build and nothing to do with the magazine instructions..... I want my build to have some originality and not just a standard model.... Regards Alan
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