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Hi Tom, What did you use to do the caulking? it looks very effective. MWG MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Mike Turpin wrote:tom.ganc wrote:Mike Turpin wrote:Hi Tom
Can you explain the rope going from cannon to cannon on one side of your model? It's like nothing I have seen before!
Mike T
Hi Mike The rope going trough canons is called "messenger cable". According to DeAgostini in Issue 48 page 6 it is described as double breeching. Quote from Issue48 page6 "...Below left, a more secure method was double breeching. As well as lashing the barrel and tightening the breech rope, the gun is secured to a heavy "messenger cable" running all the way along the row of guns on the deck..."I hope it helped :) I have studied many references to 18C/19C war ships but I have never come across any reference to a messenger cable run through the row of guns. In heavy weather, the guns were stowed with extra breeching cables on each gun to keep it close to the sides of the ship, an arrangement I believe was known as double breeching but frankly I don't see how a long rope would prevent individual cannons moving. If the only reference is DeAgostini's build notes, I would want to know where they got their information from!!  I'm always prepared to learn something new!  Mike T I have copied below the text from the magazine within the section titled 'Ships of the line', which in this instance talks about housing the guns... For most of the time, except when the crew were at gunnery practice or the ship was about to go into action, the guns remained securely housed.
The guns on the upper decks were commonly secured in the run-out position. The barrel was set level, the side tackles and breech rope were pulled up tight and any surplus was lashed out of the way. Muzzle plugs known as 'tompions' were fitted to keep the bore dry.
On the lower decks, the guns were normally housed inboard, so that the captain could keep the gum ports closed. The guns' rear (training or traversing tackles) were removed, and the side (outhaul) tackles were pulled tight, so that the gun was hauled up against the bulwarks with the barrel raised to its maximum elevation, by removing the quoin from under the breech. This lifted the muzzle by about 40 degrees, to the point where it rested against the ships planking, on the 'clamp' above the gun port and just below the deckhead above. The barrel was held in this position by lashing the muzzle to the eyes of 'housing bolts' in the ships side. it was further secured by using the ends of the side tackles to make tight 'frapping turns' lashing the two sides of the breech rope together forward of the carriage. As a heavy breech rope contained enough slack for the gun to be run in to the ship, the rope was pulled up tight and the excess was made into a tight loop.
A more secure way of housing the guns known as double breeching. This helped to relieve the pressure on the ship's side by fastening the rear of each gun to a heavy cable running from the bows to the stern. The spare messenger (a heavy cable used to raise the anchors) was run from the stern bulkhead to the heel of the bowsprit, and fastened tot he cascabel at the rear of the barrel of each gun. It was hauled tight, after which the guns' tackles were strained between the quarter bolts at the sides of the gun ports and strops were passed around the messenger cable on each side of the carriage.Tomick attached the following image(s):
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Thanks for that reply Tomick. It makes more sense with the diagram showing the gun tackle taking up the tension in the messenger cable.
Just haven't seen that method illustrated before.
We live and learn!
Mike T
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MWG wrote:Hi Tom,
What did you use to do the caulking? it looks very effective.
MWG Hi I've done caulking using parker pen of the edges of deck planks. Standart method. Bear in mind that I'm using 3mm planks. Cheers
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Your a very patient man Tom. I do like the look of what youv'e done though, how much of it will be seen once the deck above is in place and the ships boats are located in position? Still damn fine work  Steve..
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farrabass wrote:Your a very patient man Tom. I do like the look of what youv'e done though, how much of it will be seen once the deck above is in place and the ships boats are located in position? Still damn fine work Steve.. You are right. But it is all about the fun. On the other side I've got more expierience with handling tiny bits. Doing the top deck I will get even better results. I'm glad you like it 
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tom.ganc wrote:farrabass wrote:Your a very patient man Tom. I do like the look of what youv'e done though, how much of it will be seen once the deck above is in place and the ships boats are located in position? Still damn fine work Steve.. You are right. But it is all about the fun. On the other side I've got more expierience with handling tiny bits. Doing the top deck I will get even better results. I'm glad you like it EXACTLY!! In my opinion this is the whole point of the hobby. You are happy with the way your build is going (and so you should be) and that is all that matters. If a rope or a plank or a block isn't quite historicaly correct who gives a tinkers cuss!. I have learned so much from others peoples builds, that I find the thought of not having a forum to fall back on for advice and guidance bewildering. If this ship building lark isn't classed as a class A addictive past-time I don't no what is. As well as the brilliant build examples shown on your diary,and other members contributions this build/partwork would be impossible for the first timer/ never made a wooden ship builder. I know I would be. The only way I started with the ship building bug is that I saw an advert for the Build a Lancaster partwork, of which I thought good idea! After recieving the first part after 3/4 days after confirming my interest no more parts were forthcoming for over eight weeks at which point I made enquiries as to why no more parts had been recieved, at which a telephone enquiry was made, the rather disinterested response from the person I was speaking to put me off that partwork forthwith. That then set me off on a mission to find something else not made of plastic to have a go at, hence, I end up with a large scale wooden model of the worlds most famous Ship of the line (Battleship). Anyhoo after that little rant Thumbs up Tom for your excellent build diary, and YES.. Cheers Steve...
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Hi there Just picked up Issue 60 from newsagents today. I'm officially half way trough (at least looking at the magazines :) ) I'm working on top deck at the moment and I should have some build update soon. So far I'm celebrating build progress :) CHEERS SHIPMATES!!!!
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Hi again. Quick update on my build. I'm working on poop deck at the moment. I managed to put skid beams across main deck opening and finish centre section. I hope to get quite alot done this week so stay tuned in for more update. 1.  2.  3.  4.  5.  6. 
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Really nice build Tom MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Absolutely outstanding
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The Admiralty would be proud mate Well done!!! Ship Builds on the go
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I like it...I like it...sterling stuff Tom...  Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Thanks guys
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Hi again Time goes by and out ships are getting more beautifull I again managed to get some work done. I'm pretty much up to speed with official build so great. Last thing I've done is completed main mast. Well, just have a look yourself. I hope you like it because I LOVE IT  1.  2.  3.  4.  5.  6.  7. 
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Bloody lovely mate, cracking build, thanks for sharing it with us! Ship Builds on the go
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OUTSTANDING!! Tom MWG BUILD DIARIES: HMS VICTORY, SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, SAN FRANCISCO II, HMS HOOD, HMS ENDEAVOUR LONGBOAT, HMS VICTORY X-SECTION, 007 DB5, NISSAN GTR, CUTTY SARK, RB7, AKAGI, BARK HMS ENDEAVOUR, HUMMER H1, MITSUBISHI ZERO.
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Excellent work Tom!
The black looks really good against the decking. The ship is now really taking shape, half way there now.
Cheers Steve..
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Fantastic build there Tom...really like it mate...Current Builds: Deagostini HMS Victory: Deagostini HMS Sovereign of the seas. Completed Builds: Del Prado: HMAS Bounty: Hachette: RMS Titanic: Del Prado: Cutty Sark...
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Hi Tom,
Your always on my build praising my build, But its yours that's Amazing mate it looks awesome. Keep up the hard work its paying off now.
Chris.. On the bench 1/350 Revell Tirpitz Platinum Edition (Pontos PE and Wooden deck) plus extra Eduard PE set and extra MK1 door sets.
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