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delboy271155
#121 Posted : 27 September 2020 16:49:20
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Hi All, BigGrin

I have today laid the second colour on the body of the "Funny Car".

Got a few small paint bleed points that will need sorting, but I think the bottom White colour needs a second coat anyway so should be able to kill two birds with one stone.

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#122 Posted : 29 September 2020 10:59:30
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Hi All, BigGrin BigGrin

In post #108 I was toying with the idea of making this dio work off of just one switch. As the smoke generators take a short while to start working, I didn`t want the electric motor starting too early.

I have found and today received two timer circuit boards that cost a few quid (GBP) each. Each timer can be adjusted from 0 - 20 seconds before they switch on anything you want turned on.

If the time delay needed is under 20 seconds I`ll use one timer.

If the time delay is over 20 seconds I can get the first timer to turn on the second timer and that will give a delay of 20 - 40 seconds.

You can get these timers that have a delay of up to 60 seconds, but I`m hedging my bets on the two 20 second ones as I have an idea of getting some more action in the dio that will need a second timer in the circuitry. (More on that at a later date).


Have added and tested a single timer in the circuitry and it works, just got to time the smoke generator start up time now to see what delay is required.


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#123 Posted : 29 September 2020 11:43:06

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Great Idea Derek Cool a bit of a sparky now mateLOL LOL its going to be so coolCool loving the colour aswellDrool Drool


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#124 Posted : 29 September 2020 17:10:40
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tigerace wrote:
Great Idea Derek Cool a bit of a sparky now mateLOL LOL its going to be so coolCool loving the colour aswellDrool Drool


Regards PhilCool


Hi Phil, BigGrin BigGrin

Thanks for looking in and your comments. Cool

I`m not sure about the "Sparky" bit, I think that`s the last thing I need having had a pop and flash out of the first smoke generator. LOL Flapper LOL

As for the colours, I`m very happy with all of them so far. We`ll see how well they have been positioned when I apply the decals.Blink Blink

Hope to have more updates soon.


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#125 Posted : 29 September 2020 18:59:52

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Nice work Derek.Love Love Love

Might not be a sparky, but the word on the street is that East Midlands electricity grid is showing spikes at certain times of the day.LOL LOL Flapper Flapper

Mark
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Markwarren wrote:
Nice work Derek.Love Love Love

Might not be a sparky, but the word on the street is that East Midlands electricity grid is showing spikes at certain times of the day.LOL LOL Flapper Flapper

Mark


Thanks for the time taken to comment.BigGrin

Oh well the cats out the bag.Blink Blink

Was trying to keep it quiet, but that spike is me trying to keep the "Home Brew" at the correct temperature.

LOL Flapper LOL Flapper LOL


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Looking good mate.
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Derek

I like the idea of using those timer circuits - that is a very well thought out plan.

Tony
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#129 Posted : 30 September 2020 10:30:21
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Thanks Ken / Tony for looking in and your comments. Cool Cool

@Tony

In the immortal words of Hercule Poirot "The little grey cells" have been working overtime and not always correctly. This is a "developing as it goes along build". The timers being a case in point, as I had the choice of a bank of switches to get everything working when needed, or have one switch to turn the power on and let the timers do the rest. The pic below shows how even on paper sometimes things don`t work and a new line of thought is needed. (Hence all the crossing outLOL )

I`m now working on an idea to get the other vehicle to do something during the time it takes the smoke generators to start on the first car. So, I`m now waiting for more deliveries and when they arrive I`ll get another test bed set up.

Until next time....


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Omg DerekBigGrin this is turning into an epic buildCool what does Baldric say in Blackadder "I have a cunning plan"LOL LOL LOL LOL



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This is just such a fun project. It's going to be great.Laugh
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Hi Phil/Roy BigGrin BigGrin

Thanks for the comments. Cool

Its fun at this end too. For something that started as building a car and then turned into "Lets add a bit of Smoke" if I could. Its now turned into a full blown working dio.

Its weird, because as its developed I`ve been sat in my chair and had a series of those "Light Bulb Moments" that have resulted in several additions to the build as can now be seen.

I think the Light Bulb has now burnt out thankfully, or I`ll disappear underneath a pile of wires and circuit boards and never be seen again. LOL LOL LOL

More updates to come when deliveries arrive.

Be safe.


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#133 Posted : 02 October 2020 17:10:17
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Hi All, BigGrin BigGrin

Well as promised, when the parts arrive then so will an update.Blink

First, for those that don`t know how drag racing works, a short explanation of the starting process as this update is all about the section of the dio that deals with start preparation of one of the cars.

Ok, there is a set of lights on what is called a "Christmas Tree", you`ll see why.

The line up of the two cars at the start is as near millimetre perfect from one to the other, all set by sensors.

As a car approaches the start line (working from top to bottom of the tree)this happens:

1:Close to start line Yellow pre-stage lights come on

2:On the start line Yellow stage lights come on as well

3:With both cars in stage, three larger yellow lights very quickly light up in descending sequence. This is all the time the drivers get to react too....

4: Each driver gets a Green light and then its pedal to the metal and GO.

5: If a driver pre-empts the green light and goes a split second early they get the Red light and are disqualified.

Reaction times to the Green light are what wins races and are timed down the three decimal places of a second.Blink Blink

Anyway for the purposes of this dio I am covering the first two steps. Pre-stage and Stage.


The longer pro-fuel car when the power comes on (the only time I will touch this dio) will be in the Pre-stage position with the relevant lights on. After a short delay it will move forward (via electro-magnet) into the Stage position and the Stage lights will come on.

It is this last bit of info that this update is about and it revolves around some accurate measurements and building.

Description of the pic attached below:

The electro magnet when powered will drag the car forward about 3-4 millimetres,
where a micro magnet fixed to the bottom of the car will operate a reed switch fitted into the road surface. When the reed switch operates it will switch on the stage lights. The micro magnet is initially to far from the reed switch to operate it, but as the car moves forward it comes into range and switches on the stage lights.


Apologies if that`s a bit drawn out, but without some explanation the picture will make zero sense.


After the above and a short delay, when the smoke generators start up the electric motor on the second car will start up and spin the rear wheels. After a short burnout time on the second car the whole dio will shut down automatically and reset itself. That will stop the smoke generators running out of smoke oil and the electro-magnet overheating.

Now I hope that makes sense.Crying LOL Crying

I`m now off for a lay-down.LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Lots of measuring and base building to do and a small bank of electrics to put in some order.

Take care all.BigGrin


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Blimy Derek that sounds really complicated but you seem to be well on the way getting it to work as you want.

Really looking forward to seeing all of this set up and running its going to be really 8nteresting.

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birdaj2 wrote:
Blimy Derek that sounds really complicated but you seem to be well on the way getting it to work as you want.

Really looking forward to seeing all of this set up and running its going to be really 8nteresting.

Tony



Apologies Tony,Blushing

Thanks for looking in.Cool

Not my intention to make it sound complicated. Its all a case of knowing what I want the dio to do and timing it to happen in the right order. The timer circuits are there to delay things from happening to early.

Using a timer means I don`t have to manually switch something on. Without the timers I would have a bank of 6 - 8 switches to operate. The way I have set this up all I have to do is plug in the transformer (12volt) and switch on the power.
After that the circuitry does the rest.


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Hi All,BigGrin

For those who have never been to see Drag Racing I have found a video (link below) that has some slow motion bits. At about 2:12 into the video there is a great show of how the starting lights work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw3LE78gwhg


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You've really got those grey cells working Derek. I can really see you are getting totally immersed in this project.Love Love Drool

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Markwarren wrote:
You've really got those grey cells working Derek. I can really see you are getting totally immersed in this project.Love Love Drool

Mark


Hi Mark, BigGrin

Thanks for comments.ThumpUp

I figure that there may be a few body parts (mine not the model) that are struggling with age, but if I keep the grey cells working then the rest of me in some form or another will get dragged along for the ride.

LOL LOL LOL Flapper Flapper Flapper LOL LOL LOL


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Ok Folks,

Here is the next circuit test.

I`ve shown it in three pics as a video would be about 3 - 5 seconds long. It will be a bit longer on the full dio thanks to a delay circuit.Blink

In a drag race Pre-Stage lights come first, then the Stage lights.


So:

Pic 1: No power connected. All lights off.

Pic 2: Power On. Car shows as in Pre-Stage (lights on).

Pic 3: After a short delay, car moves forward a bit and the Stage lights come on. Simulated for this Pic.



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Great scratch build Derek, have followed this from the start hope it all works for you.

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