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Rank: Beginner Level 1 Groups: Registered
Joined: 08/03/2014 Posts: 6 Points: 8 Location: Pensacola, FL
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I have decided to paint my model but am concerned that the instructions for either painting or applying a clear coat over the brass will not come until steps 91-100. It seems to me that if I paint the D51 as depicted on the assembly guides that when steps 91-100 come out, there will be a lot of disassembly to achieve the looks depicted in the guide. This could be a hassle if using thread lock and getting the screw sizes in the proper place during reassembly as well as not loosing them. Can DeAgostini please release and post the painting guide now so we builders can plan ahead and perhaps paint as we go? I do not know about the other builders out there but I believe this will be a great help. Consider the gluing of the number plates on in the early stage that have pre painted backgrounds with brass frames. If parts like these are glued on in the early assembly stages before you release the painting guide, it will create problems and a lot of additional work for disassembly, painting, and reassembly as well as for masking. Also, will the painting guide steps 91-100 advise as to all colors as well as if the recommended paint is flat, semi gloss or satin? Thanks, Dave.......
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Sounds like a plan .....Dave C H.M.S Victory H.M.S Victory X Section H.M.S Surprise under the bench D-51
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Hi Dave I decided to paint as I received the parts as to me its the way to go, just make sure you degrease everything first using your own methods or a good retail one. Next will come a choice of undercoat , here you will have two choices a normal one or an etch type I went with the normal sort as etch primers contain nasty chemicals that are not good for breathing or general well being. As for paint its your choice and what is available to you, but I will include the paints I am using below. I have chosen the 'working state' model so there are colour changes from grease and heat staining but if you want a pristine model just out of the yard after being built or refited then I think a more semi gloss black would look good. The paints list I am using is below Main colour/ Railmatch 2412 weathered black Additional colours/ Vallejo Weathering a Steam Locomotive Paint Kit. Art 73.099 Also this which I already had but is a useful addition, Vallejo Model Colour Val70150 Rust and Steel paint set. hope this helps regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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putting the number plate to one side as I agree that should be fitted at the end. the instructions have told you to paint some things. I don't imagine a lot of disassembly to be honest as a rule it is all one colour. However you are taking a risk if you are using thread lock, the instructions have not said use thread lock, as ever if you deviate from the instructions you do so at your own risk. Jase “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain
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Dave, I have moved all replies to one Topic as you had Two on the same subject so that people do not get confused with multiple replies. Spencer
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Rank: Beginner Level 1 Groups: Registered
Joined: 08/03/2014 Posts: 6 Points: 8 Location: Pensacola, FL
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Thanks Everyone for your replies. Spencer, Sorry about the duplicate post. As per your reply you appear to be with DeAgostini, can you answer my question about having DeAgostini post the painting steps 91-100 (I Believe) now So I Can reference the guides during my assembly? I am sure some others out there would be interested as well as they proceed with their builds. thanks and to all, Thanks again!
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Rank: Semi-Pro Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 01/05/2014 Posts: 91 Points: 279 Location: Silver Springs, Florida...USA
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Hi...I just placed my order for delivery here in HOT and sunny Florida. Something to do when it's just too hot to be outside. I was wondering how many people choose to paint and how many like to leave it in brass. I suppose either way, one would need to spray on some sort of finish. D51, Senna McLaren. Pocher Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza 1931 1/8 scale. Pocher Lamborghini Aventador white roadster.Tamiya 1/12 Ferrari Enzo. Toyota GT2000.
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G,Day Garry ...well as for painting I change my mind every day,,,I have purchased special paint mixed paints etc etc but to date it still sit's there in all it's brassness ..... H.M.S Victory H.M.S Victory X Section H.M.S Surprise under the bench D-51
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Hi Gary O Firstly welcome to the forum and enjoy your build. If you choose the brass or painted finish there will be choices to be made to stop the brass parts tarnishing or by painting to give a working look. Also remember that the parts are sent with a protective coating of oil that will need removing before any finishing coats are applied. If you are choosing the Brass finish most of the parts are brass but be aware that some of the parts are not solid brass but plated and extra care should be taken with them and use a good clear laquer to coat these parts , If painting as I am, I would recommend the paint and build method that's is in my build diary. Some people are using an etch primer but these need specialist spraying and masks as they contain harmful ingredients to do the etching proccess . There fore I am using a car undercoat with a matched railway paint colour. Whatever choice of finish you choose there are several build diary's on here to peruse and gain ideas regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Rank: Semi-Pro Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 01/05/2014 Posts: 91 Points: 279 Location: Silver Springs, Florida...USA
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Leaving it brass would require a clear spray and looks shiny and impressive...but would still look like a big model....so I'm leaning toward painting mine black to be more realistic. Does anyone have any suggestions for paint colours that would look realistic and be available in the USA? D51, Senna McLaren. Pocher Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza 1931 1/8 scale. Pocher Lamborghini Aventador white roadster.Tamiya 1/12 Ferrari Enzo. Toyota GT2000.
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Hi Gary O The paint I have been using over here is 'RailMatch Acrlic #2412 weathered black ' There must be some railway model shops online over there that im sure will recommend a good alternative or even this paint it will be case of searching around though I think. regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Rank: Semi-Pro Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 01/05/2014 Posts: 91 Points: 279 Location: Silver Springs, Florida...USA
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Looks like Floquil products have been discontinued here. Badger Model Flex seems to be the way to go...they have a line of railroad colors. I'll need to buy an air brush and learn how to use it.. D51, Senna McLaren. Pocher Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza 1931 1/8 scale. Pocher Lamborghini Aventador white roadster.Tamiya 1/12 Ferrari Enzo. Toyota GT2000.
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Hi Gary Good luck with the paint and im sure there will be starter kits for airbrushes like we can get here try to get a compressor with a choice of two airbrushes , double action is preferable , and try to get one airbrush with a cup for the paint and the other with a lower glass canister [ good for spraying large areas] and then its a case of practice and remember to thin the paint 1st regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Hi Gary, First, Welcome!! The D51 is a hell of a kit. It goes together flawlessly, and looks fantastic. For your paints,try here; http://www.caboosehobbie...catalog/index_brief.php
These guys are one of the BEST rail shops in the US. If they can't help, no one can. Enjoy your build! Tired, Old, and Cranky!
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Rank: Semi-Pro Level 2 Groups: Registered
Joined: 01/05/2014 Posts: 91 Points: 279 Location: Silver Springs, Florida...USA
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Hi Andy.. I was looking thru your build diary...very impressive. What did you use as a photo source, especially the interior cab details. I love the firebox door area. What did you use to achieve the rusted look? Did you have any problems with the screws after applying two coats of paint? I'm trying to get my supplies together while waiting for my first shipment. I would assume us Yanks get double parts packs as the subscription is spread over 12 months and not 24. Gary D51, Senna McLaren. Pocher Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza 1931 1/8 scale. Pocher Lamborghini Aventador white roadster.Tamiya 1/12 Ferrari Enzo. Toyota GT2000.
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Hi Gary Firstly thank you for your kind words on my build. There is photographic info in the instructions which I just used those for the upgrades. The dial decals were provided by Roy matt black a member on the forum as for making the glass on top I used 'Deluxe product's Glue-n-glaze , goes on looking like PVA but dries clear. As for the rusting on the firebox doors I bought the 'Vallejo weathering a steam loco kit' Which I have to say is excellent, the rust was built up over several coats using a tip brush spotting/ stippling effect to get the highs. Il add a link for the paint set aswell below http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...amp;hash=item3cda186338
I think it will be yes to the double parts aswell, hope this helps regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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Further information:
The end of Stage 92 has information in the instructions about the paint plan for the model. Note that a clear primer should be used if you have opted for the 'brass' finish.
Stages 93-96 include information about the preparation of the model prior to painting.
Stage 94 contains information about the dis-asssembly process to assist painting.
Stage 96 includes information about degreasing and applying primer to your model.
Stage 95 includes information about masking.
Stages 97, 98 & 99 contain information about painting, detailing and weathering your the model.
Stage 100 is the fitting of the final detail parts - Number plates × 3, Lamps × 4, Commemorative plate, Tag holders × 4, Maker’s plates × 2, District tags × 2, Turbine generator, Tank, Tender handrails × 2, and information about making the final adjustments.
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