any of you guy out there know, or have a rough idea how long the hull planks are as i am second planking (just to hide the mistakes on the first) to make it look more authentic THANKS

Planks on the real ship were typically about 30 feet long. This scales out to approx 11 cm if I have got my sums right.

Mike T

Nearer 2,800+; then having to allow for cutting and trimming.

Numerous issues for 'Scale and match' to original fitting of copper sheathing, but this is a scale model - depends on your choice. Options are:

1. Purchase from De Ag at their rate per 100 tiles - who knows what scale/size and what price. If they decide to go for the tile route (other possibilities are tape and paint)
2. Purchase from Cornwall Model Boats - at your own choice (mine is not to touch them with a barge pole - let me explain below). 2a. Last Summer they offered these items - at a scale of 1/72 from £2.30 per pack of 100 tiles - now they are £7.20 per pack. Supply and demand; or RIP OFF.
3. Look elsewhere, and get them cheaper.
4. Don't copper the hull.....

I don't mind paying for quality goods, at the right price. I do object to getting ripped off.

My Hull will be copper tiled/plated, but I have a source at a reasonable price from the other side of the country, and will be bu**ered if I will now put any of my hard earned cash towards a Kernow Pirate.

As a footnote; Tomick stated that 1/72 is way to big (scale wise) for copper hull plates/tiles. He is correct. However, the cannons are not as acurate as they should be, the gun ports are the wrong size - and in several upper deck locations, in 'slightly' the wrong place - and the whole model is subject to change without notice...

This is not Tomicks decision, just his masters....

I an happy with reasonably priced 1/72 copper hull tiles at an additional total cost of £67.00, as opposed to CMB recently upgraded price of over £200.00. What will De Ag offer us? Karl has an idea...

See ya.

hi mike,I'm sorry mate,but I have to disagree with you on the service record of cmb,My experiance over the woodlathe has tainted my opinion of them,I am still fighting them over my return of the totaly in adiquate goods,that were not fit for the job,other materials that I bought were up to the job,and delivery was good,but beware there is no cummunication by e_mail and there telephone manner needs a lot to be desired,there web site doe's not tell you if they are out of stock,so you have to wait sometimes for up to two weeks for a delivery.btw I ended up buying the proxxon lathe model 250,and what a difference,totaly suited to the job it is meant to do.brilliant and would reccomend to anyone.

The major difference being that the Proxxon lathe is 240v, whereas the Mantua lathe is 12v.

One eye, I might clarify that I'am not the designer of the model, I simply build as per that being supplied to the customer, I simply pointed out that 1/72 scale tiles are too large for a 1/84 model, Any model is a personal item and its down to personal choice as to any changes made, if one is happy with the end result then who is anyone to argue.

As far as I know the DeAgostini copper tile pack will contain scale tiles and sold as a complete pack rather than by the cost of 100 tiles.

Hi Mike T

I have appreciaed your knowledge and input on this forum since day one. I am also pleased that you have no affiliation with CMB.

I understand the coppering of ships of the line in the 18th century, and also realise that this is impractical to replicate on scale models. All we are after is to acheive a representation of a coppered hull. To suggest that you may want to overlap the tiles, as originally installed is perfection, boardering on insanity. You can get Port and Starboard tiles to replicate this - as you know, but most of us will settle for the 'tiled/brickwork' finish without the need for microscopic detail.

My post was to assist Russ G, and other members of this forum, as to the possible number of copper tiles which may be needed to complete the job on this 1/84 model. I am sure you are aware that in 1780 HMS Victory was first sheathed in 3,923 copper plates of 4' x 14". My suggestion of 2,800+ was an indication, and also noted addditional requirement for cutting and trimming. If using 1/72 scale tiles on a 1/84 scale model, then we arrive at approx 3,300 tiles - based on the actual ship, and not our individual model, which will have major variances in comparison to the lines of the actual hull.

Finally, I had forward planned the coppering aspect of this build, and had checked CMB's price for copper tiles last summer. The same pack of 100 photo etched Amati 1/72 tiles has increased to £7.20 - exc VAT. There are cheaper alternatives, and we have now given everyone a nice alternative in Caldercraft. Thank You.

PS. If you pay attention to detail, you will note that I did take my own advice, and found a source at a reasonable price at the other end of the country, via a very nice model shop which I can pop into at my leisure (Caldercraft).

See ya.