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Getting to the stage now where I need help, building the hull and deck furniture was easy enough, with the help of all the other builds on the go, on this site as well as the victory builds,
I find the build instructions very very vague. So I am sorry but I am going to have to keep asking.
First of all, I really don't understand the rigging, and I think I have to half understand the rigging as I am now doing my masts, I need to try and understand what I am putting where on the masts, I have heard people talk about different types of rigging, Can't even remember what there were called, was it running rigging and some other type of rigging.
I am now doing the rear mast, bottom section, near the base I am told to put item 497 which is a half moon shaped piece of Walnut on, Easy enough but sitting on this item it shows 496 Glass, I have glass balls with a hole in them but dont know if they go right round the mast or what,
Can anyone help on this, If I encounter ( which I will ) more problems who do I turn to, Do I have to go to customer services or admin, Please advise.
Mo Mo
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hi mo,what you are describing sound like parrel beads,these are used to go around the masts and are attached to the yards,starting just off centre on the yard,going around the mast then attach at the other side of the yard,you should be able to slide the yard up and down the mast,some times the parrel beads have a spacer in between the beads,which have two holes,that way you have a double row of bead bearings.if you can put up a pic,of these parts I could confirm them as I think they are.btw the standing rigging is the shrouds which have the ratline ladders,all of the back stays(holding the masts up,and stopping them heaving over,and the running rigging for move yards and sails and adjusting all the sails,yard and everything above the deck. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi in there Mo, hope I can help. The little glass balls are like akin to ballbearings and let the spars slide up and down the mast so you make them just big enough to go round what ever part of the mast that particular spar fits on. They are made with a B shaped metal fitting in conjunction with the little beads acting as a spacer. The standing rigging is the one you really want to tackle first as this is the one that doesnt move and supports the masts.This includes all the cross braces between the masts which in turn will support the running rigging which controls all the spars . The sail riggin usually goes in last and connects to the deck area onto the belaying pins. The shrouds or climbing rigging or ladders whatever you want to call them come under standing rigging which is normally all the first rope work you should tackle. Yes the plans are a bit vague and it does help a lot if you have experience in this field. Have a look on Amazon for a book on rigging period ships, it may help big time. Best place to start rigging for me would be at the bowsprit and work your way back mast by mast. Once you get past the fore Its a doddle and you then have an idea how things start to go and work. Remember when you have done this everything will operate and do what it is supposed to do just like the real thing. Hope this has been at least a small help and if you want some pics of some rigging on my ships I might be able to email some on a file. See how you go and dont let it get the better of you  Good luck and if I can help further just ask, Ian
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Hi does anybody Know where I can get a GOOD QUALITY PEDASTAL from as the one supplied is absolutely NOT Fit for purpose??? 1/48 Scale. PLEASE. Regards
Rob
Bridlington.
Built Flying Scotsman (Train). Collecting HMS VICTORY
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er rob,pedestal ??? for what purpose?? Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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i know how you feel mo. i have come across quite a few models which give all the info for building the ship, but do not give you all the info for rigging. there are a few books out there, one was recently on the forum, about model ship rigging. this one might help http://www.amazon.co.uk/...d=1352211571&sr=8-1
do not buy the art of rigging by biddlecombe. the pictures are too small. one other source is tomicks victory diary, but only if the rigging is of the same type, as every ship seems to be rigged slightly differently. you would have to ask an expert. this was the one area that the magazines were great for as each week they concentrated on a separate part of the rigging step by step, so tomicks diary must be of some help. there is one other source, maybe mike ,mwg,could help caldercraft/jotika make a surprise model as well. they usually go into great detail explaining wher each line of rigging goes, so if you could get a set of those instructions then that would probably do the job. you already have a set of plans so you don't need them, just the rigging instructions. try asking mike as he has a contact at caldercraft who helped with the victory gallery. Come on you Jimmies
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Thanks everybody for your input here, I am a bit the wiser now, I will do a bit more research and perhaps buy a book.
I am just trying to plan ahead, I have not posted any pictures or info on my build log, as yet I am still unsure how to post pic's from my new p.c.
But the build is progressing.
MoMo
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mo as far as adding pictures goes, all you have to do is tick the attach files to this post at the bottom of the reply box, then just upload and post. i don't think it resizes so big pics don't show, so make sure you have taken or resized to less than 1mp Come on you Jimmies
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mo,this link is the jokita version and shows the rigging,try it. http://www.jotika-ltd.co.../1024768/Surprise_15.htmCurrent builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Thanks a lot for that one Karl, I have not come across that site before, I love these little hooks, Robert has pointed me in the direction of the hook shop.
Cheers MoMo
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they do all the bits as well,and I particularly recommend there thread. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Mo wrote:Thanks a lot for that one Karl, I have not come across that site before, I love these little hooks, Robert has pointed me in the direction of the hook shop.
Cheers Mo i just searched for the hook shop..........................type it in and see what the urban dictionary has to say. Come on you Jimmies
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The reference to the hook shop, is actually www.shipwrightshop.com and not anything else that might be implied. But learnt a thing or two there.
Mo lol.  Mo
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I seem to recall seeing somewhere that the use of super glues on the rigging is a no no, or is it ok to put a dab on to hold things in place, like the blocks etc.
MoMo
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Hi Mo, Personally I seize all my knots with super glue. There's nothing worse than a knot giving way in the middle of your rigging. You need to use it sparingly and keep everything under tension whilst it sets, otherwise you'll end up with odd kinks in straight ropes. It allows really close trimming of knots. Good luck with your rigging it seems to go on for ever, I found the best way is to set myself a target of a few ropes a day.
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Andy, I am a good way of the rigging, but I am starting to put the blocks etc on the masts, but I have to try to understand the rigging, to ensure I get the right blocks in the right place, and I am glad a spot of superglue is ok.
MoMo
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Another small point, make sure when you tie and glue the blocks in place that they have the freedom of movement to pull in the direction of the rope they are serving. I found this out too late with some of my blocks.
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Cheers, Andy, I will bear that in mind.
MoMo
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be careful with superglue mo, it tends to harden the thread, i use it sometimes other times use some pva, it depends where the block is Come on you Jimmies
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Hi Karl' HMS Surprise.
They haven't even been drilled out for screws lol.
  Regards
Rob
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