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Captain David
#1 Posted : 03 March 2013 18:53:09

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Introducing myself as a new member of the forum.
A late start, as I have only just got the first 3 issues.

I like the idea of being 3 months behind the first subscribers - I can read all about your experiences and pick up some ideas, well before I get the next parts.

This is my second go at a wooden ship. The first was a Billing Kit of a Dutch barge - never finished due to it going underwater in a flood!

No jig made yet of course. All I need is the measurements of the last two parts of the keel and I could do it now. Length of the other mid-section, base length of the keel, angle of the keel and it's height. Then I could make up all the jig pieces now.

Ah well, I jointed the bow to the first keel piece anyway and it looks dead straight.

Bulkhead and 3 frames made up. One is a bit warped (no.6) but I can sort it when packing out the hull.

Cannons and anchor put aside for now. I want to do them in a batch. Looking at the official build so far, there are no more coming for several months.

Ah well, another month until parts 4-7.
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Captain David wrote:
Introducing myself as a new member of the forum.
A late start, as I have only just got the first 3 issues.

I like the idea of being 3 months behind the first subscribers - I can read all about your experiences and pick up some ideas, well before I get the next parts.

This is my second go at a wooden ship. The first was a Billing Kit of a Dutch barge - never finished due to it going underwater in a flood!

No jig made yet of course. All I need is the measurements of the last two parts of the keel and I could do it now. Length of the other mid-section, base length of the keel, angle of the keel and it's height. Then I could make up all the jig pieces now.

Ah well, I jointed the bow to the first keel piece anyway and it looks dead straight.

Bulkhead and 3 frames made up. One is a bit warped (no.6) but I can sort it when packing out the hull.

Cannons and anchor put aside for now. I want to do them in a batch. Looking at the official build so far, there are no more coming for several months.

Ah well, another month until parts 4-7.



A very warm welcome to you David, hope you enjoy the build, you will find plenty of advice and a hoard of useful tips on this forum.... Good luck on your build and look forward to seeing your progress....

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Alan
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#3 Posted : 03 March 2013 19:01:43

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Thank you!
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#4 Posted : 03 March 2013 19:13:06
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Welcome aboard Cap`n David,

You have found the best place for help and advise, everyone here willing to assist.

Good luck with your build.

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#5 Posted : 03 March 2013 19:43:10

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Thanks Delboy.

The reason I have chosen Captain David as a username is that I live on a Dutch Barge, so am the captain of my own ship. Not that I do any sailing. I drove her to this mooring 20 years ago and that was it!
Now I can fantasise about being captain of a 100-gun ship of the line !
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#6 Posted : 03 March 2013 22:27:18

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#7 Posted : 16 March 2013 16:42:01

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My post from 7 March - which I accidentally started a new post with. I prefer to keep it all in one place!

[img][]Well, I have started!

First off, I have to admit I haven't yet made a jig/drydock. I still might make one later. The bow has been traced onto a piece of 4mm ply just in case.

I notice that Tomick's official build doesn't use a shaped bow support anyway, just the supplied bow stand (pieces C1/C2).

The first 2 pieces of keel are a straight as a die when glued together with the bracing pieces. Just a slight warp of about 1mm, right at the tip of the bow, which the jig wouldn't correct anyway. I will sort this later, when the bowsprit is added.

Rib 6 had a slight warp too. About 1mm diagonally across the main piece. Not enough to send the part back but I made another problem by sanding too much out of the slots of the joint to the keel.

The problem was using a loose sheet of fine sandpaper. I was very gentle but I have rounded out the slots very slightly, so there was a slight wobble in the fit - which was tight as could be before I sanded. 45p at Tesco got me a pack of 10 fine emery boards; £1 at the local Asian hardware shop gave me a set of 6 needle files of different shapes. Controlled sanding is the way to go!

Correcting the wobble-fit and warp was done by packing the assembly. I knew that rib 7 was a perfectly square and tight fit - I had dry-fitted it when joining the keel pieces and clamping the bracing pieces to butt against it. Now that 7 is glued in, I dry-fitted 6 and used a vernier to measure the correct centre distance between them at 52mm. Packing was done with a piece of foam insulation slab (49mm) and two slips of cardboard from a wine-box, the same both sides. Anything would do really, so long as it is exactly the same on both sides and really tight.

I will keep the rib packed out until the lower deck is glued and pinned in place.

No work on the cannons except making one carriage. I will wait until more metalwork arrives before deciding on paints. Loooks like that will be when the ship's launch equipment arrives: anchor, bucket and oars.

Still not decided about balsa infills. The ship will be double-planked, so there is an opportunity for fairing up between the two layers. If I find I need more glueing area for the planking, I might add 10mm blocks of balsa either side of the ribs. This would also strengthen the rib joints.

That's it for now. I wonder when the next bits will arrive? Customer Service "despatch dates" seem to be 2 weeks before the parts arrive. I guess that is the date they give the order to their distribution contractor, not when it is actually sent. Royal Mail doesn't take 2 weeks to deliver!
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#8 Posted : 16 March 2013 16:52:47

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Amazed to get my next delivery on Thursday. CS had told me the dispatch date was Wednesday. So I got them the day after dispatch. Either brilliant service, or CS don't know what they are talking about LOL

Anyway, issues 4 & 5. All parts looking flat.

I glued up the next keel part, cut the slots for display mounting bolts (as per issue 5 Masterclass) and covered the slots with spare ply from the sprue.

Next, drilled 8mm holes through, between each rib, for my ballasting. These are for M8 bolts, which will be packed out with about 15-20 large flat washers each side. This should add as much as a kilo to the hull, near to the bottom. Mr T said that the finished model is about 5 kilos and I suspect most of that weight will be above the 3rd deck. I dont want it toppling over on it's display mountings.

I might not use the forward-most hole - wait and see what it feels like, balance-wise.
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#9 Posted : 16 March 2013 17:14:04

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Hi David welcome to the forumBigGrin I cn see you are enjoying your build. Kind regards Mike
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#10 Posted : 16 March 2013 17:32:31

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Next, strengthening the rib joints.
I found they were tending to come apart after glueing, so I did two things. First, get some better glue! The old bottle had been around for a few years and was no longer white.
Second, I cut bracing pieces from some 4mm ply.
These are cut to go from the outer curve to at least 10mm inboard of the joints. They are glued to be flush with the rib at the top, so they provide an extra glueing/pinning area for the outer edges of the deck. They don't go right to the outer curve, so I don't have to sand and fair them all later. They are set about 1mm inboard.
Rib 13 will get extra strips along the top edge, where the front and middle deck pieces will both have to be pinned. As they overlap on this rib, each deck section would only have 2mm of rib to be pinned to, so this gives extra room for glue and pins to get a proper grip. I will do the same on the rib where the aft and middle deck sections butt together.
That's it for now.
I hope that the next delivery will be in 2 weeks, as I only got two issues this time. Not holding out hopes though!
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#11 Posted : 17 March 2013 15:56:37

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All ribs now braced. At least, the ones I have received so far.
The front two (5 & 6) done with ply cut from the fret/sprue waste and the rest with stuff I had lying around - this had been previously used, so there is still a bit of paint on one side, but this will not be seen so I didn't sand it all off.
Rib 13 now has top reinforcement as well, for pinning the deck joint between front and middle deck sections. This was made from some 5mm pine strip offcuts, again just stuff lying around.
None of the ribs are glued in yet. I am waiting for the lower deck to arrive, to use it as a fixing jig. The slots in the deck edges will be used to align the ribs as I glue them.
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Looking good David, keep posting those pics....Cool Cool

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#13 Posted : 17 March 2013 19:37:21

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Thanks, Gandale.
I wish I had more to do. I am a late starter.
There was an option to start off with the current issue and get all the rest as a large back-order. I would have had to shell out more than I could afford at the time.
As I only got two issues last week (4&5) I am hoping the next delivery will be in 2 weeks, not 4.
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Captain David wrote:
Thanks, Gandale.
I wish I had more to do. I am a late starter.
There was an option to start off with the current issue and get all the rest as a large back-order. I would have had to shell out more than I could afford at the time.
As I only got two issues last week (4&5) I am hoping the next delivery will be in 2 weeks, not 4.


David, patience is the name of the game with this hobby... you will get to a stage where you may find it difficult to keep up with the issues... remember at the end of the day this is not a race, build at your own speed and you will enjoy it all the more.....

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Yes, I agree. But I have nothing to do now until the next deliveryHuh
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#16 Posted : 17 March 2013 20:02:37

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Crying It is a pain but it gets better with more deliverys .Just have to wait for the postmanBored
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Captain David wrote:
Yes, I agree. But I have nothing to do now until the next deliveryHuh


Quite a few take on the build of something else to fill in the gap between deliveries, possibly a plastic kit of some description or possibly a smaller less complex boat build to cut your teeth on for what lies ahead.
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Ten weeks before I got issues 4&5. Then another month before I get anything else!
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Hi Captain, it is a pain I agree but you will find the deliveries will settle down to you receiving them the same time every month, 4 issues at a time.... This is also partly the reason why I took on the San Fran II build, something to fill in the time when there was nothing to do ont the SOTS..... Maybe its something for you to consider..... Happy building...

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#20 Posted : 24 March 2013 21:28:22

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I can't really afford another subscription. I thought I was in luck today with an offer on Freecycle for a complete set of another subscription, for a Cyborg Robot kit from about 10 years ago! Totally different stuff but would have kept me quiet for a bit Huh
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