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Nelson Speak: Everyday words from the time of Nelson's Navy Options
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#1 Posted : 28 April 2013 18:08:12

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Hi All!

As I've been going through some of my reference books checking this or measuring that, I've often come across little snippets of information which explain the origin of many common words and phrases in our native tongue. I know there are some dictionary type books out there on this subject but I thought I might start up a 'Modellers Model Space Dictionary" thread of these origins. I find them really interesting and I've included a couple of them here.
Please let me know what you think and if you would like some more, if so I'll put a couple more up every few days until I run out!Blink

The Bitter End (More usually To the bitter end)
Modern meaning: The very end of something as in “We followed the path to the bitter end”.

Nothing to do with taste buds! This phrase comes from the lower gun deck and refers to the act of dropping the anchor on its thick rope or cable. The last thing the crew would want to see is the anchor vanishing into the depths followed by the entire rope/cable! At the bow end of the lower gun deck, just aft of the foremast are two sturdy cross beams attached to thick square posts which go right down to the level of the keel. These are the Bitts and before dropping the anchor the last few yards of the cable was wound around both the beams and the posts and secured with a special tackle called the Bitt Stopper (there were also a couple of similar tackles fixed to the deck for good measure and called the Deck Stoppers (surprise, surprise!)
These loops and tackles therefore prevented the anchor cable from following the anchor overboard and the inboard end of the anchor cable was literally The Bitter End!

Nipper (or Little Nipper)
Modern meaning: A small child, usually a boy.
This phrase is naturally next as it comes from the same area and involves the same equipment. Having dropped said anchor, at some point it would have to be raised or weighed and the cable returned to the cable tier below. Most people have seen the anchor being raised with the seamen working to turn the capstan in various movies, what isn’t generally known however is that the rope being turned around on the capstan isn’t the same rope that is attached to the anchor! The rope that winds around the main or jeer capstan (situated just aft of the mainmast on Victory is in fact a continuous loop like a conveyor belt called the Traveller. This rope, only about a quarter of the thickness of the anchor cable runs along most of the lower gun deck from the capstan to a pair of rotating pillars which act as pulleys just between the two hawse holes in the bow, across the bow and back to the capstan again on the other side of the masts. The Traveller is tied onto the anchor cable using short lengths of thinner rope. These would be tied on just after the cable came through the hawse hole (after any muck and debris had been scrubbed off in a small partition called the Manger, and removed again just before the cable was sent down through the main grating, the rope then being rushed forward to repeat the exercise. Traditionally it was the smallest of the ship’s boys (also known as Powder Monkeys) who would do the tying and removing of these lengths of rope whilst the men worked the capstan. That length of rope was called a Nipper and the term spread to mean the young lads who did the nipping.
(It’s entirely possible although I have no written evidence that this might also be the origin of the word to run quickly from one place to another: to Nip along )

Glossary:
Cable: In the days before steel, a cable was a thick rope used for heavy duty work ie. securing the anchor etc. It is also a measurement of length and I'll be back to add what that was!
Bitts: A securing point composed of a thick horizontal beam fixed onto a pair of vertical posts, the posts sometimes pass through several decks of the ship.
Bitt and Deck Stopper: Length of rope lashed to the anchor cable at one end and either the Bitts or the deck via an iron ring at the other, designed to prevent the cable coming loose whilst the anchor was overboard.
Nipper: A few feet of thinner rope used to lash the anchor cable to the Traveller, also the young boys whose job it was to do the lashing and removing.
Traveller: A continuous loop of rope approximately a quarter of the diameter of the anchor cable and passed several times around the main capstan, down to the bows and back again. It is this 'conveyor belt' once lashed or nipped to the cable which raises the heavy anchor.

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An interesting idea, where you could also combine Naval terminology in relation to period ships..
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Hi Robin thank you for posting these very nice meaningsBigGrin Kind regards Mike
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I like it, Robin. The etymology of language is fascinating and I'd be really interested in more of your findings. We use these words/ expressions with so little thought, when in reality they illustrate our heritage and history. More pleaseThumpUp
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Brilliant people will be fascinated in this. the Navy, the Tudors and the Vikings all give us a lot of common sayings and words. looking forward to your posts. Cool

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Many thanks for those positive thoughts chaps and I'll include Mr T's good idea by including a glossary (is that the word?) of the Naval words which crop up in the narratives. (Half of them are a complete mystery to me until I check up on them!) Blink
I'll edit the first post now to bring that in. Some really good definitions to follow soon! BigGrin

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BigGrin Hi Robin
me thinks you may have opened a very deep can'o'worms there as this thread could grow and grow good luck to you sir
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Brilliant people will be fascinated in this. the Navy, the Tudors and the Vikings all give us a lot of common sayings and words. looking forward to your posts. Cool

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I'm not brilliant but I am fascinated as well....am I not allowed to read it?LOL LOL LOL LOL

Seriously though it is a fascinating though frustrating thing to get into especially if it happens to be a localised word.There is a word in use that is now in the Oxford dictionary that a local mayor wants to ban as its insulting to visitors..Grockle..Devon claims it as does Somerset.apparently it never showed itself until the 60's but older people will tell you it was used when they were kidsBlink Blink Blink Good luck!! By the way Grockle = A holidaymaker, or one from out of town. Particularly used in the South of England, generally as a mildly derogatory term. Must say though that when stuck behind a grockle & his caravan the term is FAR from MILDLY derogative!!!Cursing Crying LOL LOL LOL
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Ok here's a couple more...

A Square Meal
Modern meaning: Actually the same as the original one, a good satisfying meal.

When one of His Majesty's ships of war left port, the crew would be supplied with a full set of china crockery for their meals. After a few storms or a well aimed cannon ball or two, most of this crockery would be smashed to pieces and thrown overboard.
Once the china was disposed of, the crew would be forced to eat their meals off a square wooden platter approximately a foot square with a raised edge, kept in the stores for just this purpose. If the seamen received a full ration of victuals the meal would fill up the entire platter to the edges and the men would have a square meal!
These platters can be clearly seen in the Master and Commander movie and episodes of the TV series Hornblower.

Piping Hot
Modern meaning: Food which is very hot (almost too hot to eat)

The ship's crew was split up into different groups or "Watches". When one watch was working on deck or up in the rigging the others would be either off duty or at their meal time so in effect the crew would have their own separate timetables. The meals were cooked in the galley (in Victory's case on the huge Brodie Stove. The meals were cooked to be ready when the next watch was replaced and the end of their 'shift' was signalled by the Boatswain (Bos'n) piping the Watch below with his Bos'n's Whistle. If the crew dawdled their meal could be served lukewarm or cold but if they hurried straight down their meal would still be "Piping Hot"

Glossary:

Brodie Stove: An iron patented stove used from 1781 until 1810. It had two boilers with a total capacity of 250 gallons and an oven capable of baking 80lbs of bread in a single batch. The stove included a copper distillation plant to supply the surgeon with clean distilled water.
Boatswain: Pronounced Bosun (not Boat Swine as according to Dad's Army's Cpl Jones!) A seaman of 'Petty Officer' rank appointed by the Captain, the Bosun's many duties included the enforcing of discipline among the lower crew.

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Us knows all about dey Grockles! When I was at Plymouth art college all those decades ago one of our tasks was to design a welcoming logo for the South West Tourist Board, I asked if I could design a board game called Grockle Wars with little caravan convoys being ambushed by rocket fireing tractors! They said NO! LOL LOL LOL
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Us knows all about dey Grockles! When I was at Plymouth art college all those decades ago one of our tasks was to design a welcoming logo for the South West Tourist Board, I asked if I could design a board game called Grockle Wars with little caravan convoys being ambushed by rocket fireing tractors! They said NO! LOL LOL LOL

If you ever decide to develop it I know quite a few gamers who would love...but it would have to be online.LOL LOL LOL
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Hi Robin...Great idea...Enjoyed what I read so far!! What's in a name or word? You'd be surprised? I can see this rolling on and on!! Keep em comin says I!!..
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Brilliant Love i love this stuff
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Thanks for all the great comments there! Here's the next couple...

Son of a Gun
Modern meaning: A compliment to the character of another man. (Mainly in USA)
Despite it’s frequent use in the American Western genre, this phrase originated not in the US but in the British Navy and has nothing to do with Colt 45’s!
During Nelson’s time (and before), when a Man of War came into port, women, (some wives but mainly prostitutes) were permitted to come on board for the duration of the ship’s visit. Such ‘activities’ as went on below decks inevitably led to certain complications nine months later and it was not uncommon for those women to give birth whilst onboard the ship where they slept between the guns. The ship’s surgeon would sometimes be called upon to assist and if the child was a boy and no member of the crew would admit to being the father, the baby would be christened and officially registered as a Son of a Gun. In Nelson’s time therefore, far from being a compliment this term was a slur on a man’s parentage along the lines of “Your mother was a ………”


Shake a leg
Modern meaning: Hurry up, Get a move on, sometimes also Get out of bed!
Going back to the last definition, the same ladies would often be sharing a hammock or possibly using an unoccupied hammock. They were not expected to get up for duty when one of the Watches was called up (they might well have been ‘working’ all night anyway!). In order to be left alone and not feel a rope’s end they were expected to dangle a shapely female leg out of the hammock to show the Bosun who was sleeping in.

Glossary:
Man of War (also Man ‘o War): An armed vessel more often applied to a larger ‘ship of the line’ than to smaller sloops and brigs.
Hammock: A length of canvas with cords at both ends which were attached to suspension points along the gun decks facing fore and aft. In the case of Victory, they were hung in lines twelve abreast on the lower gun deck and nine abreast on the middle with each man allowed just 14” of room. During the daytime the hammocks were packed into the hammock nets to air them out and also provide some protection from small arms fire. It was also supposed to be used as a rudimentary life preserver and properly lashed up it would keep a man afloat for 24 hours.
Rope’s End: A short length of rope sometimes bound with cord and carried by Bosun’s and above to lash lower seamen into activity. Some Captains used them at every opportunity others forbade their use. (See the British movie “HMS Defiant” aka “Damn the Defiant” for a closer look! Also known as a Starter for obvious reasons!
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Here's the next pair! BigGrin

Get Cracking
Modern meaning: To get a move on, to increase speed.Unlike most of these words, this little phrase has come down from the actual sounds of Nelson’s time. When the order to increase speed was passed down from the Captain or Master, the topmen would climb out along the yards untying the reef lines to unfurl the canvas sails. Once free, the sails would drop down, controlled by the running rigging, and when the first gust of wind filled the sails there would be an audible ‘crack’ as the canvas sprang into position. At top speed under full sails, a ship was said to be ‘cracking on’.

Run the Gauntlet
Modern meaning: Similar to the original, to risk injury or loss due to some action to be taken.
In Nelson’s time it meant to increase that risk.
The Gauntlet was a form of punishment which dates back to the Romans if not before and is found all over the world, the American Indians were fond of it apparently. The punishment consists of two rows of men generally armed with non lethal weapons, sticks, lashes, belts etc. between which the offender (in the Navy most often a seaman caught stealing from his messmates) would be forced to walk whilst being pummelled by the two lines. In most Gauntlets the most effective way to reduce one’s injuries would be to run the Gauntlet to reduce the time spent being beaten. In the case of the British Navy however, this was not an option as the offender was forced to walk the lines by the Master at Arms walking backwards in front of him with a sword point touching his breast. If he tried to ‘Run the Gauntlet’ he risked even greater injury. The modern meaning has become simply the act of facing the Gauntlet, not the possible increase in severity.


Glossary:
Topmen: Those members of the ship’s crew who were trained and rated to work up the masts controlling the sails.
Yards: The horizontal wooden ‘poles’ suspended from the masts from which the canvas sails are hung.
Reef Lines: These are the short lengths of rope which dangle in rows across the width of the sails both fore and aft. As the seamen below pull on the rigging lines to haul the sails up the topmen grab the reef lines and knot each end together over the yards to secure the sail. Larger sails will have several lines or bands of reefs and to prevent the sailcloth from tearing it is reinforced with multiple layers of canvas and the hole that the reef line passes through is itself reinforced with stitching.
Running Rigging: The opposite of Standing Rigging, these are the ropes which are moved by the crew to control the yards and sails. The running rigging was left in natural hemp as tarring could cause stoppages as it ran through the blocks (hence the need for two tone rigging thread on model ships, black or brown for tarred standing rigging, stays and braces etc and lighter, ‘natural’ colours for the running rigging)
Master at Arms: The Master at Arms was the officer responsible for training the crew in the use of small arms. He was also the head of the “Ship’s Police” and with a staff of ‘Ship’s Corporals’ maintained order and conducted searches of the vessel whenever thievery was reported. Apart from those manning the magazines, the Master at Arms together with the Powder Monkeys was the only member of the crew permitted below the gun decks during an action, during which he was also responsible for calculating the expenditure of ammunition.

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Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Here's a couple of quickies. BigGrin

At Loggerheads (To be at loggerheads)
Modern meaning: Usually applied to discussions or disputes where the opposing sides cannot come to any kind of agreement.
The Loggerheads were parts of an iron tool used in the preparation of hot pitch used for caulking the decks or hull planks. It consisted of a pair of hollow iron spheres joined together by an iron bar. The spheres were heated up in a brazier and were then pushed into a bucket of pitch or tar where they would heat it up until it was runny enough to pour into the gap between the planks (on the decks) or mixed together with strands of hemp or horsehair called oakum, or sometimes lengths of cotton, which was hammered into the joints with a mallet and a sort of blunt chisel, the hot mixture would then cool, sealing and waterproofing the joints. Because the loggerheads were at each end of the bar, they could never come together, just like the opposing views in the dispute.

Long Shot
Modern meaning: Something with a small chance of succeeding, “Winning the Lottery is a long shot!”In the time of Nelson, sea battles were fought within the normal range of the cannon carried on board, in the case of Victory, from the 12lbs on the upper gun deck to the 32lbs on the lower gun deck. Each calibre of weapon had a maximum effective range but in rare circumstances this range was exceeded either by a more powerful explosion of the gunpowder charge than normal or even by skipping or bouncing the ball off the surface of the sea. If a target was hit beyond the normal range, it was known as a Long Shot.


Glossary:

Pitch: A natural sticky tar which was heated until runny and used to waterproof joints between planks.
Caulking: The act of waterproofing the joints in a wooden ship caused by two planks meeting along their edge. This term applies to both the horizontal deck planks and the more or less vertical hull planks. In the case of the deck, usually all that was required was to dribble liquid pitch down into the crack or joint, if the width was a little too wide for this then cotton strips would be coated in pitch and hammered into the gap first. It was not possible to pour hot pitch into the hull joints so again either cotton or 'oakum' (fibres got from unravelling old rope) or even horse hair was mixed into the pitch to produce a kind of soft putty which was then hammered in.

(The name has continued down to the present as any modern sealing compound can be called Caulk and is applied with a sort of skeleton syringe called a 'Caulking Gun')
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Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Here's the next couple and my added respect to Jase for his 'On this Day' series - these things take longer to put together than you'd think!BigGrin


Junk
Modern meaning: Rubbish, a worthless item also as a verb ‘To Junk’ i.e. to scrap or throw out.
In the centuries before Nelson (during the time of the Sovereign of the Seas for example) before hemp became the standard rope making material, cordage was made from a species of Bulrush with the Latin name L. juncos, the common name for this rush being of course, Junk. Ropes made from this material tended to wear out quicker than hemp and any ropes which became unfit for service were cut up into smaller lengths and sold on as “Junk”. Before long shops sprang up on the quaysides to sell this second hand rope and soon began to deal in any kind of maritime or nautical items all of which were deemed as defective to the original owners but still had some use to other ship owners ‘keeping their costs down’, these businesses became known as Junk Shops and the term has spread out over the centuries to now mean any kind of item which somebody might find a new use for after the owners had ‘junked it’.

Perks
Modern meaning: A general referral to the ‘little extras’ that go with a particular job as in “The perks of the job”
The word ‘Perks’ is an abbreviated form of the term “Perquisites” which may or may not be written into the official job descriptions or duties of various professions within the Navy. In Nelson’s time for example the post of Ship’s Cook was that of a Warrant Officer, all were Greenwich Pensioners, a high percentage of them being ex-Petty Officers who had lost a limb on active service. The post was largely a reward for service as cooking meant no more than boiling the preserved meat to remove the salt. During the cooking process a layer of fat or ‘Slush’ would form at the top of the pot and although it’s sale was officially banned it was regarded as the Cook’s right to sell this material to the crew where it was eagerly sought for spreading on the hard ship’s biscuits and also for making candles. This source of cash was the Cook’s ‘Perks of the Job’ (And guess which other word will be coming from this little pastime!)


Glossary:
Cordage: The general term for all kinds of rope from the smallest (cords) up to the largest (cables)
Warrant Officer: A member of the crew whose appointment was made by the Commissioners of the Navy, these men were sent to a particular ship by the Admiralty and were not appointed by the ship’s Captain.
Greenwich Pensioner: The Naval equivalent of the Army’s Chelsea Pensioners.
Slush: The layer of fat which rose to the surface of the boiling pot or pan and which was skimmed off and sold by the Cook to the crew.
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Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Tell it to the Marines!
Modern meaning: A response to a statement that the recipient does not believe to be true without evidence, basically, “I don’t believe it!”

This phrase is attributed to a conversation between King Charles the Second and his Secretary of the Navy, Samuel Pepys concerning a report about the strange sights seen abroad which the Royal Court did not believe were accurate. An Officer of the Maritime Regiment of Foot vouched for the accuracy of the report and the King declared that from henceforth before he disbelieved any story he would first tell it to the Marines!
The phrase became more widespread during the Second World War when a captured American Officer was forced to make a broadcast by the Japanese telling the world how well captured soldiers were being treated by the Japanese Military. He made the broadcast and finished by stating that he was telling the truth and that his listeners should “Tell it to the Airmen, tell it to the Navy and most of all, tell it to the Marines!”

Pipe Down
Modern meaning: Be quiet, Silence!
This phrase is related to the earlier “Piping Hot”. When the last Watch of the day had finished their duties and meal and only the ‘night watchmen’ were left on deck there would be some time to relax and chat etc. before the majority of the hands took to their hammocks. The final order of the day would be “Lights Out” meaning simply ‘Go to sleep’, lanterns would be extinguished and all talking stopped. The Lights Out order was again given on the Bosun’s whistle and the term has come to mean simply “Be Quiet” rather than “Go to Sleep”.
Incidentally, the use of the Bosun’s Whistle is the reason why whistling on board a naval vessel was considered unlucky. It was actually banned by the Commanders as a man whistling could easily be mistaken for an order being given and quite severe punishments could result, anything which could bring on a punishment was bound to be unlucky.

Glossary:
Maritime Regiment of Foot: The original (Sovereign of the Seas period) name for the Royal Marines.
Hands: The collective term for a ship’s crew. (Origin to come later!)
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Hi Robin,
Just great reading Robin thank you for your time and effort.
Trev.
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Thanks Trev, glad you're enjoying them!BigGrin

Here we go...

Skylark
Modern meaning: To engage in frivolous antics, “Skylarking about”

The term “Skylark” comes from the Officer’s order to the crew: “Hands to Dance and Skylark”. This was a period of basic ‘Physical Exercise’ designed to keep the crew fit and healthy on long voyages or patrols (as if they didn’t have enough hard work to do in their basic duties!). The dance part is self explanatory, hornpipes etc. and the Skylarking part was a series of organised races up and down the rat lines and into the rigging, these races not only kept the crew fit but also trained them up for the hazardous work up in the ‘sky’ as well as creating a stronger bond between the topmen. Today, the phrase has mostly become shortened to “Larking about”.

Off and On
Modern meaning: An occasional state of affairs ie, not permanent, for instance, in patchy cloud the sun breaks through ‘off and on’.
This phrase originally came from the act of sailing close to the coast with an adverse wind (either coming off the land or blowing towards it). The course followed would involve lots of tacking to and fro, sometimes towards the land (On) and then away from the land (Off). During this procedure the vessel would occasionally be travelling in the actual intended direction, a situation that would occur Off and On!

Glossary:
Hornpipe: A sailor’s dance usually involving four seamen and which was a cross between a square dance and an Irish jig. The musical accompaniment was provided by flutes (pipes) and fiddles (and sometimes tambourines and drums).
Rat Lines: The thinner ropes tied horizontally across the main shroud lines to provide a ladder for the crew to climb up into the rigging.
Tacking: The art of sailing a vessel into the wind by zig-zagging it’s course just short of right angled to the wind direction. Until the invention of fore and aft sails and improvements to the running rigging, earlier types of sailing ship could not tack and could only sail with, or ‘before’ the wind.

First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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Going through the Hoop(also Putting through the Hoop)
Modern meaning: To face or put someone else in the position of facing a difficult ordeal to achieve a goal. Eg. “His Boss really put him through the hoop to gain that promotion”

This phrase like many others comes from the seaman’s best friend, his hammock. Those of us building our period ships will know all about the netting which is placed around the bulwarks of the ship into which the hammocks were placed during the daytime. This is called the ‘Hammock Netting’ and the individual sections of the iron framework are known as Hammock Cranes. The hammocks were placed into this frame for two reasons, firstly to dry them out (so they would not be put there during bad weather) and secondly to act as protection from small arms and splinters during ship actions (in any weather!). Now for the Hoop! In order to place the hammocks in the frame they had to be of a uniform size, ie. all rolled up to the same diameter. In order to achieve this the Officer in charge would present an iron ring or hoop through which the hammocks had to fit through. Any hammock rolled up without due care and attention would not fit through and would have to be done again. Therefore, any task which had to be done again and again, until it was right was putting the seaman ‘through the hoop’.


All above Board
Modern meaning: All fair, nothing underhanded or hidden.

The original meaning is pretty much the same as the present one. The ‘board’ in question is the main deck of the ship (the upper deck) which is open to the air, in Victory’s case, the forecastle, quarter deck and poop. Anything kept or stored on the open decks was in plain sight and open to inspection, unlike the lower decks where things could be hidden away from prying eyes!

Glossary:
Hammock Cranes: The U shaped iron frames through which ropes were threaded to hold in a net to create an open topped receptacle into which the crew’s hammocks were placed. The nets were found along the top of the bulwarks on both sides of the ship and also across the decks on top of barricades and bulkheads.
Board: The upper most deck of a sailing ship, open to the weather.


First wooden ship: The Grimsby 12 Gun 'Frigate' by Constructo Second: Bounty DelPrado Part Works Third: HMS Victory DelPrado Part Works 1/100 scale
Diorama of the Battle of the Brandywine from the American Revolutionary War Diorama of the Battle of New Falkland (unfinished sci-fi), Great War Centenary Diorama of the Messines Ridge Assault
Index for the Victory diary is on page 1
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