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Hachette's 1:16 Tiger Tank Options
Nemesis
#1 Posted : 04 May 2013 18:08:25

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Well I received the last 5 issues of this monster today!!BigGrin I will be starting the build very soon, watch this space!!LOL BigGrin
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#2 Posted : 04 May 2013 18:12:38

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Look forward to seeing this one progress mate Cool

I'm thinking of getting the HobbyCraft one for £60...I'm pretty sure it's a good kit..

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#3 Posted : 04 May 2013 20:06:00

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Very nice indeed Daran, looking forward to watching your build of this biggy with eager anticipation my friend!! CoolThumpUpBigGrin


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#4 Posted : 04 May 2013 20:13:08

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Nemesis wrote:
Well I received the last 5 issues of this monster today!!BigGrin I will be starting the build very soon, watch this space!!LOL BigGrin



Hi Daren, I have collected up to 100 so FarBigGrin Kind regards Mike
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#5 Posted : 04 May 2013 20:45:19

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Hello Mike.BigGrin Thanks for looking in. I did see that you were collecting this one!BigGrin This is a nice kit, and even building as is, will make a stunning Tiger. But there are a lot of mods that can be done to make it 100% right and I will be modding as I go. I will post the mods in detail and where I sourced the parts.
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#6 Posted : 04 May 2013 21:23:35

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Hello Mike.BigGrin Thanks for looking in. I did see that you were collecting this one!BigGrin This is a nice kit, and even building as is, will make a stunning Tiger. But there are a lot of mods that can be done to make it 100% right and I will be modding as I go. I will post the mods in detail and where I sourced the parts.
DaranBigGrin



Hi Daran that would be a big helpBigGrin Military is not a strong suite of mine.

I will watch your build with interest

Kind regards Mike
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#7 Posted : 04 May 2013 22:05:37

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Looking forward to seeing you build Nem Cool
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#8 Posted : 04 May 2013 23:56:32

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Ok, so here we go. Before we start lets look at what we have in the kit and see how and where we can improve it. There are some issues, and I will do my best with the knowledge I have and the references from books and other sources to deal with these as I build.BigGrin

what time frame does it represent?

During the production run of the Tiger tank, a span of almost two years, there were over 80 visible external changes to the Tiger. On examining a Tiger that is clearly photographed, we can give an approximate time of when it was built. The same should apply to a model of the vehicle.
What historical date is represented by the Hachette Tiger? This is relevant to any modeler wishing to paint it as a Tiger in a certain time and place.
The cupola has features that point to June 1944; the presence of drainage slots in the cupola and lack of crane mounts on the roof were modifications in June 1944, so this turret must be around that time frame.
However, there are details elsewhere on the model that are not consistent with this date.
The rear idler wheels appear to be the larger ones, 700mm in diameter, that were phased out in February 1944. So we would expect a June 1944 Tiger to have idlers 600mm in diameter.
There are brackets on the front plate for holding a shovel. These were removed in January 1944.
The tracks are not of the flat type and have the ice cleats, these were introduced from October 1943. These have been supplied in the kit, so it must be a 1944 Tiger?
The model therefore represents a June 1944 turret on a January 1944 hull. Since the German repair shops would mix and match hulls and turrets from damaged tanks, this is not an impossibility.
Another issue that is incorrect for the date is the Muzzle Brake. This came in two sizes; a small one introduced in April 1944, replacing a large one which is what this kit provides. Therefore the kit's muzzle brake conflicts with the rest of the turret.

What I have done is replaced the barrel and muzzle break and the idlers and sprockets.
I started with the barrel and muzzle brake. The barrel supplied with the kit is to thick and and has no detailing. I replaced this with a Schumo 1 piece turned aluminium barrel. The muzzle brake is to big, the late Tigers, which this is meant to represent, had the smaller version. A Schumo hand crafted part, made from brass, is being used to replace this. Also I will be adding the muzzle break securing screws a bit later in the build.















I had to get the new barrel and muzzle brake machined to fit, the barrel was a full option version, and way too long, and the Schumo muzzle brake didn't fit a Schumo barrel...............go figure!!!!!Blink Blink A local machine shop did it for me for a reasonable price, and did a stellar job of it too!!!!!BigGrin The idlers and sprockets need some minor work, and they can do those as well!!!BigGrin











The idlers are being replaced with the correct size for the late version. The sprockets in the kit are ok but lack some detail.
















All the update parts so far were supplied by Welsh Dragon. They are a 1:16 specialist and were really helpful.
Thats all for now, thanks for looking
DaranBigGrin
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#9 Posted : 05 May 2013 00:08:27

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BigGrin Hi Nem
Some interesting and informative posts there, looking forward to the rest of your build
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#10 Posted : 06 May 2013 17:38:35

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Muzzle brake, barrel and mantlet assembled, prepped and ready for a coat of primer!BigGrin



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#11 Posted : 06 May 2013 20:48:18

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Hi Daran, don't know how I missed your update from a couple of days ago but found it now and a very nice start indeed my friend!! This has the makings of a top build and I will definitely be watching for more updates - can't wait to see it take shape? ThumpUp Drool Love

What a difference the Schumo parts make and I really don't know how Hachette can get away with their rubbish excuse for a barrel!! Huh Glare

Top build mate - well done so far!! ThumpUp


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#12 Posted : 06 May 2013 22:17:35

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Hi Kev and thanks for looking in and your comments. I must admit the barrel was a bit of a shambles considering, but then I suppose it is meant to be a build for everyone, but hey ho!!!LOL LOL
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Hi Daran thank you for building this model so that it is accurateBigGrin I will follow your build Kind regards Mike
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#14 Posted : 07 May 2013 00:43:54

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Hi Daran thank you for building this model so that it is accurateBigGrin I will follow your build Kind regards Mike


Thank you for your kind comments Mike, I will do my best!!LOL BigGrin
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Barrel and mantlet now in primer.



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Turret roof prep work done ready for some parts and primer, this is one monster of a kit!!!BigGrin BigGrin



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#17 Posted : 07 May 2013 08:38:17

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Watching this build with interest. looks like a late production will be interested in the level of detail.
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Hello Jase, thanks for looking in. The kit in its base for is a bit of a mix up, and I think Hachette could have researched it a bit more!! As you can see it has the early muzzle brake and 700mm idlers, also the shovel on the front plate, yet it has late cupola and late tracks with ice cleats and steel wheels. I am going to change parts and modify the build to represent a late June '44' Tiger. Fingers crossed it should come out ok!!LOL BigGrin
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Great stuff Daran, with your skills on the military models, I just know this is going to be worth watching - well done mate and keep those updates coming!! CoolThumpUp


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Great stuff Daran, with your skills on the military models, I just know this is going to be worth watching - well done mate and keep those updates coming!! CoolThumpUp


Kev BigGrin


Thanks Kev. Will do my best!! LOL BigGrin
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