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hiya all. i have now collected a good few months parts so i am starting construction. so please forgive me if i have missed something but i am having a problem with my dry run on page 4 instruction 31. this tells me to rest a reinforcement on both sides of frames 6 - 8. frames 6 forward are some 4-5 mm lower than 7 back. am i doing this right? how is the front of the reinforcements supposed to rest on the top of frame 6 when the surface is lower than 7 &8. as i said please forgive my stupidity if i am missing something but I am old :-). ANY
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Hi Neil, I can't offer you any specific help personally but I'm sure someone building this will answer your question soon, In the meantime have you checked the official build diary for this one - http://forum.model-space....aspx?g=topics&f=14 - it may show a different angle on the part you need to see? Regards Steve
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 hI Niel No your not doing anything wrong at all. The deck from the stern is flat until it meets this point on this part of the hull then there is a distinctive downward slope for the 3 formers that after then climbs upwards to the bow. The two forward guns are attached to this sloped area and the barbets are pre shaped to fit this part of the deck. To explain this better in the picture black arrows 1 are where the slope starts and arrows 2 is where it finishes the red arrow shows the upward curve of the deck forward of point 2 arpurchase attached the following image(s): Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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that is very good and helpful to know. should i be attaching the reinforcement to frame 8 & 7 and leaving it hovering like a diving board above 6 or should i bend them down and attaching 6?
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Hi Niel I would double check your former numbers first as in pack one/issue 1 you get 2 formers that are the same [ the ones with the bottom lugs on ] the correct former [No lugs] is supplied with pack 2/issue 4,5,6,7. When I built mine I didn't have the gap your talking about so a former may be in the wrong position. Hope this helps regards Andy  Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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i shall scan through the bits tomorrow when i have the dry run of the hull frame laid out and see if there are any frames spare. thanks for the help. watch this space for any more idiocy ;-)
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No problem at all were here to help if we can Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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I have checked this and all frames ae correct. I am still left with the same issue. All fames from 1 - 6 are approx 5mm lower than 7 onwards. This means the reinforcement that sits in the tabs on the top of 6 - 8 sits perfectly on 8 & 7 but is a good 5mm from sitting flat on 6. Must be correct height as the reinforcements that run from 6 - 4 sits fine (they are all the same height). My only problem now is that to make the two reinforcements sit on top of frame 6, 7 & 8 i have to bend them quite alarmingly. Either they bend, frame 7 should be lower than 8 and higher than 6 so the reinforcements slant or they sit floating above 6 all springy. To be honest i am at a loss as all 3 options seem wrong to me. I have searched high and low and looked through build diaries but can find no mention nor any pics from an angle showing it. It is starting to make me feel like i am doing something unique and wrong. Anyone with any solutions is welcome to telephone, email, message or shout loudly :-) In the meantime i will have to leave the reinforcements off and play it by ear. I have had decades of model making, i am sure can solve this one somehow. On a less frustrating note, my titanic and spitfire are progressing well but my purchase of akagi will wait until i solve this.
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Hi Neil,
Can you put up some images of how your dry run actually looks, as it does appear that one of the frames is not as it should be, and could be that you have been supplied with an incorrect frame.
What I can confirm is that your specific problem has not been reported previously, which suggests this is a placement or part problem.
Thanks.
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Hi Niel I still think you may have a frame out of place. If you look on Mr T's official build page 1 post # 3 frames 6 through to 9 are shown and in post #4 fitted to the keel plates. In post # 8 there is a good picture of the side view and the upward slope to the stern is evident on formers 6,7,8. It may be a good idea to post a couple of pictures to show the problem you have , then it will be easyer to solve your problem. Here's a link to the build log http://forum.model-space...=posts&t=89&p=1
Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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my apologies for silence. been a bad week or three. i have a couple of pics that i hope show the problem. frame 6 is just a bit lower. do i bend the reinforcement? it i a short piece so i don't want to force. the pic in the build diary looks like it id bent to fit.
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Hi Niel Now we have some pics I may have spotted your problem but another picture from the bow back toward the stern would help even more, in your second picture the centre former and the one to the right of it are I think the same former this can be confirmed by measuring them both. If they both measure the same height/width then I suspect the central former will need replacing with the correct former. Regards Andy Current builds:-C57,Zero, Lamborghini Countach, Caldercraft HMS Agamemnon,Robi,R2-D2, MFH Cobra .
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you r correct. the middle one (7)is identical to the right (8) except for lugs at the bottom. I have been of the opinion that the middle should be half way between 6 and 7 in height but I have no other pieces and each one has been carefully numbered as I received them.
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I have heard many times that 1 of the pieces is incorrect but I have never received the correct bit in dispatch 2. I am assuming this is my problem here.
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You need to contact C/S to advise of the missing frame that should have been in pack 02.
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thank you, at least I am sure of the reason why I am not happy with the pieces. thought I was insane ;-)
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Rank: Beginner Level 3 Groups: Registered
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Following on and while I wait for a new piece....any recommendations for paints. I use tamiya acrylics for most of my work but if you know better I am open to suggestion :-)
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Tamiya do IJN 'kure' grey in a pot and aerosol(XF-75 & TS-66) and the hull red is TS-33
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thank you...as usual you are most helpful. Construction has ceased now until I get a reply from cust services to see how to get my hands on the offending frame....on with spitfire for now :-)
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Rank: Beginner Level 3 Groups: Registered
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I have now spent months trying to deal with customer services about this issue. They have supplied me with a new pack 2 but there is no partbto replace frame 7 in this pack. All the bits in pack 2 get used up as per instructions. Cs have no knowledge of a part supplied incorrectly in pack 1 being supplied again in pack 2. I am still in the same position with frame 7 obviously incorrect. Can anyone shed any light on this that can be passed to cs so they understand the problem and can solve it. Thanks.
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