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for those more advanced members who may have built another victory before, how easy would it be to convert this specific series to r/c?
obviously the radio gear would need to be able to control sail tension and facing direction, rudder control and wheel control.
built r/c boats from scratch before by my own designs, never converted one like this to r/c or built a sail boat for that matter
reason behind wanting to adapt it to r/c is to be able toshow off the completed model to more than the occasional repetative guest i actualy get and be able to enjoy it that little bit more.
i know it would take alot of work and several modifications, primarily getting all the masts to work together simultaniously.
then there is the rigging from the masts to the sides, but i think that can be overcome but obtaining the same type/thinkness thread and running it from the masts through the woodwork with weights inside so as the masts turn they can draw extra out and it would then simply be pulled by the weights (probably fishing weights easiest) as they return and the required lengths shorten keeping all the excess thread concealed. of course electronics would have to be sealed inside as managing to work on a removable section would be a pain in the backside but i think it would work wouldnt it?
the wheel could be modded to turn in accordance with mast angle by using a Y splitter on that servo channel i think, oppinion?
also how was the victory's rudder turned? was it via a system above the rudder where it entered the ship at the top of the rudder? if so that would take a bit of work but again, not impossible.
failing that can anyone recomend a good ship that would be easier to adapt? maybe like the cutty sark?
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Great idea. Well beyond my knowledge, but a bath toy to go with my rubber duck would be nice lol  i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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hi, secretreeve, you sure like to take on near impossible tasks,I have made many r/c models,but., and Imean BUT,your biggist obsticle is the top heavy problem. you would first need ayatcht type keelto compensate,rudder would need to be enlarged,twin or 4 screws,which could be used for steering,as for the mast machinery it would not be worth it.don't forget it is single skined,with many gunports near the waterline,remember the mary rose? see sank by taking water through the gunports whilst turning,the design will have to be radicly altered,not worth it,try finding a website that takes on these prodjects,maybe someone else on this site would know more about the alterations needed. Current builds: SotS, USS Consitution, San Felipe, D51 loco, HMS Surprise, RB7, Arab Dhow, Jotika HMS Victory Completed builds: HMS Pickel, Thermopylae, Mississipi river boat, Mary Rose, Cutty Sark, San Francisco II, HMS Victory x5, Titanic Lifeboat, Panart HMS Victory Launch, Hachette Titanic, Virginia Schooner, Endeavour Longboat. http://www.model-space.com/gb/
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Hi There You might find this link of use as an initial starting point to getting some of your questions answered: RC VictoryI'm not sure the effort would be worthwhile because to sail the ship 'properly', I would have thought that as a minimum each sail would need to be individually controlled so it can be reefed. Each yard needs to be able to be hauled independently of the others etc At what point is a compromise acceptable? To answer your question about turning the rudder, ships like the Victory had a tiller below decks which was connected to the rudder head. Ropes and blocks connected it to the ships wheel where the rope was run around a drum with several turns. The tiller flat on Victory is at the rear of the lower deck with the rudder head extended upwards into the wardroom on the deck above to provide an emergency rudder head. If the ship's wheel is blown away in an action the rudder can be steered manually using relieving tackles on both the middle and lower decks. Anyway if you decide to follow this up, I'm sure the rest of us will be following with great interest and will be expecting invitations to the launching!! Mike T
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wow thank you for the detialed replies and all the links.
this would definatly be a tast and a half, not sure i know enough about sail boats to be able to pull this off correctly.
last night i added a subscription for the endeavour, so i will adapt that to a r/c system to get to grips with the basics while the victory's hull and main components are obtained and assembled.
to adress a few points made in the replies.
single planking hull: the copper cladding may well be the best bet to compensate for the lack of hull thickness.
rudder: VERY useful information, if i can incorporate the emergency rudder use system it would help with the rudder steering
rudder size: i'd rather keep it the same, although steering would be compramised sevearly it would still operate....probably...just about lol.
sail tensions: not sure how to work this one, perhaps fixed sails.
top heavy issue: perhaps the idea ofa removable keel?
i will see how the hull build and planking goes and try to update on this thread, even if its as simple as unviable.hope that wont be the case though
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I'll look forward to seeing how you get on :)
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secretreeve wrote:
rudder size: i'd rather keep it the same, although steering would be compramised sevearly it would still operate....probably...just about lol.
I would guess this is the main difference between controlling a sailing ship and a motor powered vessel. The rudders on all sailing ships were quite small in proportion to the ship because once a ship got underway, the sails were used to determine which direction she went in with the rudder making fine adjustments. When sails became obsolete rudders had to be larger to control the direction the ship went in. I managed to get to Hartlepool on Tuesday to watch the Tall Ships leave. To be honest they were not as impressive as I was hoping. The ones I saw leaving harbour did not attempt to set any sails. They were just a collection of diesel powered hulls with extra large masts! Before People start writing in saying I am being disrespectful etc let me just say that I'm expressing my personal feelings which I experienced on the day. Far more exciting was revisiting HMS Trincomalee which is a genuine sailing ship, even if she will probably never put to sea again. Mike T
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hmm interesting though. but to be honest i think i need to go and see an actual ship, maybe a return trip to the real victory and hope to see how the sails retain tension or something or other, meh basicaly research lol
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Mike Turpin wrote:
I managed to get to Hartlepool on Tuesday to watch the Tall Ships leave. To be honest they were not as impressive as I was hoping. The ones I saw leaving harbour did not attempt to set any sails. They were just a collection of diesel powered hulls with extra large masts! Before People start writing in saying I am being disrespectful etc let me just say that I'm expressing my personal feelings which I experienced on the day.
Mike T
I remember years ago "when I were a lad" the tall ships came up the Clyde,not so special when they entered as they came in dribs & drabs,but when they left as a flotilla a few days later it was spectacular as they all went out under sail & had to beat their way down the Clyde. It's an image I will never forget,sadly in one of my many moves I have lost the photo's I took at the time. To me a ship under sail is a thing alive,when they use their screws they lose all sense of majesty. Rob Nolli Illigitimi Carborundum!!!Current Builds: HMS Victory, SV Thermopylae
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Im sorry i forgot the page and link, but on this very site there was a link to a site which showed the Victory r/c'd up. Scratch built. Its was HUUUGE about 6 foot long with working cannons. Yes working firing cannons, all 100 odd of them. Very very cool. i dont know what weapons will be used in ww3 but ww4 will be sticks and stones.
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think i saw a youtube video of that actually, its amazing to see a full r/c victory with firing cannons.
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Unless you want a ship load of heartache I would stay well clear of RC'ing a Victory at this scale, lots of stability problems and heaps of compromises to be made and its very unlikely you'd be able to utilise anything like a full sail set, and a Cutty Sark with its mass sail area and slender hull would also have stability problems, certainly neither is a project suitable for the novice.
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